Committee
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee 14 December 2023
14 Dec 2023 · S6 · Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Item of business
Ukraine
I am glad to attend the committee for the first time in my role as Minister for Equalities, Migration and Refugees. I am aware that the committee has taken a key interest in the Scottish Government’s response to the war in Ukraine and that you undertook several evidence sessions this spring. There has been much progress since then and I am glad to have the opportunity to update you on some key developments since you last considered that work. Scotland stands for democracy, human rights and the rule of law at home and abroad and offers unqualified support for Ukrainian sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity. I am proud of how Scotland has responded to a humanitarian crisis and grateful to all who have opened their homes to displaced Ukrainians fleeing the war, providing sanctuary to more displaced Ukrainians per head of population than any other United Kingdom nation. We are glad to have been able to support so many people fleeing war by working with local government, the third sector and local volunteer communities. We have been clear from the outset: Scotland is their home for as long as they need one. We are aware that many Ukrainians are already in the second year of their three-year visa period, and they are anxious about the future. I am engaging with my Home Office counterpart to seek clarity on the position, and I will work with the Home Office to ensure that we communicate that as early as possible to Ukrainians living in Scotland. We published “A Warm Scots Future: Policy Position Paper” on 27 September. It outlines our new strategic priorities for supporting the longer-term integration of displaced people from Ukraine living in Scotland. Scotland has the strongest rights in the UK for people experiencing homelessness, but we are committed to ensuring that no one needs to become homeless in the first place, including displaced people from Ukraine. More than 26,000 people from Ukraine have now arrived in the UK with a Scottish sponsor, more than 20,500 of them through our supersponsor scheme. As part of the warm Scots welcome, safe and suitable welcome accommodation is provided to those arrivals who need it. Our supersponsor scheme has ensured that all arrivals in Scotland have had access to suitable welcome accommodation and are now being supported into longer-term accommodation. We are investing more than £100 million in the Ukrainian resettlement programme in 2023-24 to ensure that people continue to receive a warm Scots welcome and are supported to rebuild their lives in our communities for as long as they need to call Scotland their home. That builds on the significant funding of around £200 million that we have provided to support resettlement in 2022-23. “A Warm Scots Future”, which was developed in partnership by the Scottish Government, the Scottish Refugee Council and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, recommits partners to working to reduce the numbers of people in welcome accommodation and provides a framework for integration within communities. We have set out our plan to reduce the numbers of people in welcome accommodation and the length of time that people are spending there. We published our response detailing the actions that we are taking to reduce the use of temporary accommodation on 19 July. We will invest at least £60 million this year through the affordable housing supply programme to support a national acquisition plan. We will maintain momentum in delivering the affordable housing supply programme, and we will work with social landlords to deliver a new programme of stock management. We will implement targeted partnership plans with the local authorities that are facing the greatest pressure, backed by an additional £2 million. Work to set the conditions for effective delivery has been progressing in parallel to preparing our response, and we are ready to hit the ground running in implementing the actions that are being taken. To help continue to drive down the numbers of people in welcome accommodation, and to encourage guests to move on from welcome accommodation, we are introducing a new national moving on policy, which requires guests to accept reasonable offers of accommodation, with a re-entry policy to prevent future presentations. We have introduced two new policies to tackle our reliance on welcome accommodation. Local authorities will seek to make two reasonable offers of accommodation to all displaced people. Where possible, those offers will be within the original local authority area or in a neighbouring local authority area. Where necessary, offers can be anywhere in Scotland. I hope that that has given a helpful overview of the work that has been going on. I will now take questions from members.
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The Convener
SNP
Thank you, minister. I now move to questions from the committee. Mr Brown will go first.
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
SNP
We have been given a really good briefing from the Scottish Parliament information centre, which includes details on the number of people who left the two sh...
Emma Roddick
SNP
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Kirstin McPhee (Scottish Government)
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Keith Brown
SNP
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Emma Roddick
SNP
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Keith Brown
SNP
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SNP
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Kirstin McPhee
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Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I want to ask about the supersponsor scheme, which has been paused since July 2022, which is almost a year and a half ago. Plainly, visas that have been issu...
Emma Roddick
SNP
We are very alive to the fact that things can change. We have been reviewing the supersponsor scheme pause regularly—previously at three-month intervals and ...
Donald Cameron
Con
So the scheme is still live, as it were.
Emma Roddick
SNP
Yes.
Donald Cameron
Con
Was there any evidence that the pause in some way disincentivised people from coming? Are you content to say that the pause made no difference?
Emma Roddick
SNP
It is not something that I am aware of. It is near impossible to get information about the reasons why those who were issued visas did not then come to Scotl...
Kirstin McPhee
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Fraser Dick (Scottish Government)
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Donald Cameron
Con
That is really helpful. I turn to the issue of accommodation and rent guarantees. A while ago now, we had evidence from the Ukrainian consul that he was in f...
Emma Roddick
SNP
I am aware that more than half of local authorities now operate some form of scheme, and we looked into the feasibility of something wider. I do not have the...
Kirstin McPhee
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Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Green
I am aware that there are about 3,000 people who are still in their welcome accommodation and that councils are working very hard to offer people two options...
Emma Roddick
SNP
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Mark Ruskell
Green
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Emma Roddick
SNP
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Alexander Stewart
Con
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Emma Roddick
SNP
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