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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee 07 December 2023

07 Dec 2023 · S6 · Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Item of business
Historic Environment Strategy
McKelvie, Christina SNP Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse Watch on SPTV
You will not be surprised to hear me say that the current budget round is incredibly tough. However, putting that aside for a second, in 2023-24, the operational budget for HES has risen by 18 per cent to £114.5 million, which shows a level of commitment. The budget for high-level masonry issues has risen dramatically, too. Again, there is a recognition that we need to invest for all of our futures. We are coming into a new budget round. The draft budget will be published on 19 December, and I am sure that the committee, among many others, will take the opportunity to have its say on that, and I encourage you to do so. You made a point about sponsorship. There is a bit of work to be done on that. I know that the committee has asked questions about the issue over the past few weeks and has been thinking about how we can maximise income. Interestingly, HES has suggested that it has made a very strong recovery from Covid, which is good to hear, because it has been hard for many people to recover from Covid. The amount of revenue that it is raising is coming up to previous levels again. There is one challenge that comes from the way in which HES was set up, because if its revenue goes above a certain amount, that has an impact on the money that it gets from the Government. HES is working on a new plan and a new model for how it does its business. We are looking at ways in which we can build in some flexibility so that it can do more with revenue raising and sponsorship. Various issues can arise from that, but HES has very positive relationships around the world. The “Scottish Connections Framework” is a perfect example of how we can use the number of people who believe that they have Scottish roots—it is 40 million, 50 million or 60 million, depending on who you speak to—and therefore have a connection with Scotland. There are many ways in which we can use that network, but some of that depends on the new business model. We are working with HES on how we can build in flexibility to allow those things to take place. You mentioned volunteering, which ties into the point that I made to the deputy convener about local communities. Sometimes, local communities are the best custodians of what is on their doorstep, although some communities might not be too sure about what is on their doorstep. When local communities are involved in looking after their local heritage assets, they become the best custodians. We want to encourage and further develop that by working with HES and others to create such opportunities, not just for folk who have a bit of time on their hands but for young people and older people, so that the places are made accessible for all groups, including disability groups. The number of events that take place in Chatelherault country park, in my constituency, is absolutely unbelievable. Believe it or not, there was a serious issue with badger baiting, but, after we engaged all the primary schools on badger watch, the badger baiting stopped. When communities engage in looking after not just buildings but the land and landscape around them, they become the best guardians of it. We want to encourage much more of that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Convener Con
Item 2 is an evidence session on the historic environment strategy, “Our Past, Our Future: The Strategy for Scotland’s Historic Environment”. We are joined t...
The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development (Christina McKelvie) SNP
Thank you, convener, and please pass on my best wishes to both Mark and Clare. Thank you for inviting me to give evidence to the committee. As the “Our Past...
The Deputy Convener Con
Thank you very much, minister, for that statement. I have a question about the impact of closures and restricted access. HES updated the committee last week...
Christina McKelvie SNP
I know that that issue is close to your heart, convener, and to the hearts of many members, not just of the committee but across the chamber. I gave a bit o...
The Deputy Convener Con
What can the Scottish Government do to support local communities that might have been affected by that situation?
Christina McKelvie SNP
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The Deputy Convener Con
I want to ask you about the phrase “managed decline”, which has been mentioned. In your opening statement, you referred to climate change and the transition ...
Christina McKelvie SNP
That is not a term that I have ever used or one that I have heard since I came into the job in March. I have heard it spoken about, but not by people who man...
The Deputy Convener Con
Good. I turn to questions from colleagues.
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In your opening statement, you spoke about effective engagement, collaboration and partnership. All of those things are vital. Last week, we had the opportu...
Christina McKelvie SNP
I agree that participation is incredibly important. You will know that the strategy was developed over the summer of 2022, and that participation was at the ...
Alexander Stewart Con
To make everything work, we need to have the resources, manpower and finances. We have touched on short and medium-term financial planning for the organisati...
Christina McKelvie SNP
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Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Good morning, minister. In your opening comments, you said that the shortage of skills has become an even more important issue in the past few years. You tal...
Christina McKelvie SNP
A combination of things are going on. We have skills challenges in this area generally. One issue that has arisen is the need to create opportunities for you...
Neil Bibby Lab
It is clear that we need greater investment in skills, and the evidence that we have received backs that up. I welcome the meetings that you are having with ...
Christina McKelvie SNP
We are working on that information as we speak. On 13 November, Historic Environment Scotland engaged a new programme management team, which includes a data ...
Neil Bibby Lab
I welcome that. We need to understand more about the shortfalls that exist as regards skills and the investment that is required, so I look forward to receiv...
The Deputy Convener Con
Two weeks ago, we received highly compelling evidence from Bryan Dixon of the National Trust for Scotland, who said: “Even if the NTS had the finances to de...
Christina McKelvie SNP
We recognise that there is a challenge there and that we must do something about it. I hope that the committee recognises the work that has been done over th...
Jim Fairlie SNP
There is a wee issue that I am curious about. We have just finished building our house, and the biggest problem that we had was getting people to do the ston...
Christina McKelvie SNP
I would always welcome and agree to such an opportunity, but the announcements that we have heard in the past few days on the new immigration measures that t...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Good morning, minister. Given that HES has been making more money, I was pleased to hear you say that you are looking at the idea of HES being able to keep a...
Christina McKelvie SNP
That is an excellent question, which leads on from my response to the earlier questions about the new model that HES is developing. Officials from the Scot...
Keith Brown SNP
Thanks for that, and that is encouraging but, first of all—this might not be the view of the whole committee—the idea of public bodies accumulating reserves ...
Christina McKelvie SNP
Any positive approach is possible. I suspect that HES’s imagination has been tempered by the current legal set-up for its operating model. From 2024-25, it w...
The Deputy Convener Con
I was not aware that Alex Paterson had moved on. I hope that the grilling from the committee last week did not play a role in that.
Christina McKelvie SNP
I am sure that it did not.
The Deputy Convener Con
I am sure that it did not. We are grateful for the evidence that he gave. I endorse what Keith Brown said about the need to turbocharge the possibilities t...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I have a question about the strategy’s laudable aims. The strategy picks up on aims that all Scotland should pull together to try to deliver, such as transit...