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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2023

06 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Charitable Hospice Care

I have been trying to go round and listen to hospices to hear what they have done. Sharon Dowey discussed what is happening in Ayrshire, and there is a lot of innovation there. Rhoda Grant talked about what Highland hospice is doing with its phone lines. I have also spoken to St Margaret’s hospice in Marie McNair’s constituency about the ambulance service that it is providing. We are looking at all that, and it is about understanding the breadth of services that hospices are providing. I have been trying to listen and learn about that.

In planning for the future, we must be cognisant of the challenges of the present. I understand the financial pressures that hospices face, and I have shared with Scottish hospices the financial challenges that we as a Government face. As Rhoda Grant rightly highlighted, there are differences across the sector, which I am examining.

On 17 August, as many people have said in their speeches, I wrote to the Scottish hospice leadership group and Hospice UK to inform them that, unfortunately, their request for £15.5 million was not affordable, given that the Scottish Government is facing the most difficult financial situation since devolution. My reason for sending that letter was to have a level of honesty with them and be able to start discussions, which was incredibly important. It is also important to reflect that it is the responsibility of integration joint boards, including locally elected representatives, to make informed decisions on how best to resource services, including hospice services, to meet the needs of their local communities, given the budgets that are under their control.

However, I have also been clear that we are keen to support the hospice sector where we can. As many members mentioned, yesterday, I met representatives from Scottish hospices and health and social care partnerships to discuss in more detail the challenges that hospices face. We shared a draft national framework to support a more consistent approach to local governance, commissioning and resourcing between integration joint boards and independent hospices. It was clear from the discussions not only that there were some strong relationships between health and social care partnerships and independent hospices but that we all need to do more to promote and support those relationships. That includes local authorities, health boards, health and social care partnerships and Government. Bob Doris and Sharon Dowey emphasised the importance of that collaboration.

I welcome the open, frank and honest discussions that we had yesterday. We agreed on the need for more clarity about roles and responsibilities, nationally and locally, in relation to strategic planning for palliative care, and more specifically to commissioning hospice services. The representative of one of the health and social care partnerships said that they would bring the discussion to their meeting next week. That is positive. We have raised the issue and health and social care partnerships are listening—I hope that it will now rise up their agendas.

On 12 December, we have a specialist palliative care meeting, and there will be more meetings with health and social care partnerships in the new year. I think that the hospices and the health and social care partnerships welcomed that open dialogue yesterday. I have asked my officials to reflect on the issues further, particularly through the development of new national framework guidance.

We are also developing the new palliative care strategy, which prioritises work to address leadership, responsibility and accountability for all palliative care across a complex landscape of partnerships and relationships. I hope that the strategy will be published in 2024.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-11352, in the name of Sue Webber, on charitable hospice care to meet future need. The ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
It is a privilege to be able to bring this debate to the Parliament. Not that long ago, back in November, I hosted, on behalf of my colleague Miles Briggs, a...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I want to speak today because Ardgowan hospice is based in my constituency, and I am s...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and colleague Sue Webber for securing this important members’ business debate, and I put on record my thanks to the organisations that have...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
As there are no other Lanarkshire MSPs in the chamber tonight, does the member agree that we should promote St Andrew’s hospice, which is based in Airdrie, a...
Miles Briggs Con
Absolutely. All of us have probably been invited to visit our local hospices and have seen not only the amazing work that they do at the most difficult time ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I thank Sue Webber for bringing the debate to the chamber, and I put on record my thanks to hospices across adult and children’s services for the vital palli...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I speak in the debate having spent 14 years working as part of the nursing team at the ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to be able to speak in this important debate in the name of my colleague Sue Webber. Scotland’s ageing population means that more people will...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Sue Webber on securing the debate. Hospices are essential to end-of-life care but, unfortunately, they are not available everywhere. First of...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for securing this debate on the future needs of charitable hospice care. It provides an opportunity to discuss some of the matters that I ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Due to the number of members who wish to speak in this debate, I am minded to accept a motion without notice under rule 8.14.3 to extend the debate by up to ...
Sue Webber Con
I will do a George Adam. Moved, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excellently done, Ms Webber, if I may say so. Motion moved, That, under Rule 8.14.3, the debate be extended by up to 30 minutes.—Sue Webber Motion agreed ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Sue Webber for bringing such an important debate to the chamber. I want to highlight the critical role that Ayrshire hospice plays in my region and h...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
I, too, thank Sue Webber MSP for bringing the debate to the chamber and everyone here for their thoughtful contributions. I have listened carefully and with ...
Sue Webber Con
When the minister was out visiting the various hospices, I was at the Marie Curie hospice in Fairmilehead. They mentioned a pilot that has recently taken pla...
Jenni Minto SNP
I have been trying to go round and listen to hospices to hear what they have done. Sharon Dowey discussed what is happening in Ayrshire, and there is a lot o...
Jackie Baillie Lab
As 2024 is long, can the minister give us an indication of when in 2024 the strategy will be published, given that hospices have already been waiting for it ...
Jenni Minto SNP
I would love to give a more precise indication. I will go back to my officials to get the date, which I know is next year. We are working hard on that and I ...