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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2023

06 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Charitable Hospice Care
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I thank Sue Webber for securing this debate on the future needs of charitable hospice care. It provides an opportunity to discuss some of the matters that I have been considering for some time now, in my capacity as convener of the cross-party group on palliative care in this Parliament.

Palliative care is personal to us all, first and foremost. As an elected representative, I am fortunate to have a Marie Curie hospice at Stobhill in my constituency. As a son, I was humbled to have St Margaret’s hospice in Clydebank look after my father with great care, love and compassion in the last few weeks of his life. However, hospices are not silos; they are a vital part of the fabric of our community, offering a wide range of supports, and they are actively involved in a broader range of palliative care support, not least with many of them delivering a model of care that is often described as “hospice at home”.

Such services will only grow in importance, with the requirement for palliative care set to increase by 20 per cent by 2040. Generally, with an older and frailer population, care needs will increase, yet resources for the sector are badly stretched; indeed, we have heard about the funding gap of £16 million that has been identified. We have to expand the hospice movement, not see it contract.

It is clear to me, therefore, that a new funding model needs to be developed to support hospices. We need to better understand the relationship with the NHS and health and social care in order to help reduce the frequency and impact of unplanned admissions to hospital for those in the last year of life. We also need to understand the relationship with delayed or unsafe discharge from the acute sector, when those approaching end of life could otherwise be at home and, indeed, the relationship with hospices and public models of social care that are delivered or procured through the network of Scotland’s health and social care partnerships. In that respect, I am thinking of the round table that was held just the other day.

It is fair to say that there is a variety of funding models, various service level agreements across the country, and a varied level of public funding being invested across 32 local authorities to support hospices or hospice at home services across the country. Variable models lead to variable outcomes and levels of service on offer across Scotland. Funding and provision of services are often inconsistent. Any national care service that we develop must help secure appropriate, dignified, sufficient and equitable provision of palliative care right across the country. I have met Hospice UK, Marie Curie and the minister to discuss many of those issues.

It is often said that death is the great leveller but, by that point, it is too late. In public policy, we must ensure that end of life is the great leveller for us all. With two thirds of people with a terminal illness relying on benefits, we can see that that is not necessarily always the case—it is not a level playing field. Perhaps through NHS agenda for change pay settlements, which we heard about earlier, there could be an expectation that hospices will be given funds to help match that pay award instead of drawing on shrinking reserves.

I know that it will be challenging, but we could move towards that. Perhaps the next NHS pay settlement could, as a matter of course, look at the financial impact on the hospice sector as a fundamental issue before any pay offer is agreed. I would like to see funds for hospices linked to agenda for change in the future. I do not think that we can move to 50 per cent agreed core cost funding, but it has to be a target—we have to get there.

None of us is naive about the Parliament’s funding predicament, but we have to move in that direction. We need longer service level agreements with health and social care partnerships and a clear line of accountability when those partnerships say that they are delivering what they have been told to deliver as part of any national model, and hospices say that that is simply not happening. That must change, too.

There is huge cross-party support in the chamber for all of that. We all agree that there has to be a new national funding settlement; however, none of us knows how that will be funded. I say to Jackie Baillie and others that that is where we have to come together as a Parliament and not play party politics. This is far too important.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-11352, in the name of Sue Webber, on charitable hospice care to meet future need. The ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
It is a privilege to be able to bring this debate to the Parliament. Not that long ago, back in November, I hosted, on behalf of my colleague Miles Briggs, a...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I want to speak today because Ardgowan hospice is based in my constituency, and I am s...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and colleague Sue Webber for securing this important members’ business debate, and I put on record my thanks to the organisations that have...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
As there are no other Lanarkshire MSPs in the chamber tonight, does the member agree that we should promote St Andrew’s hospice, which is based in Airdrie, a...
Miles Briggs Con
Absolutely. All of us have probably been invited to visit our local hospices and have seen not only the amazing work that they do at the most difficult time ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I thank Sue Webber for bringing the debate to the chamber, and I put on record my thanks to hospices across adult and children’s services for the vital palli...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I speak in the debate having spent 14 years working as part of the nursing team at the ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to be able to speak in this important debate in the name of my colleague Sue Webber. Scotland’s ageing population means that more people will...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Sue Webber on securing the debate. Hospices are essential to end-of-life care but, unfortunately, they are not available everywhere. First of...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for securing this debate on the future needs of charitable hospice care. It provides an opportunity to discuss some of the matters that I ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Due to the number of members who wish to speak in this debate, I am minded to accept a motion without notice under rule 8.14.3 to extend the debate by up to ...
Sue Webber Con
I will do a George Adam. Moved, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excellently done, Ms Webber, if I may say so. Motion moved, That, under Rule 8.14.3, the debate be extended by up to 30 minutes.—Sue Webber Motion agreed ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Sue Webber for bringing such an important debate to the chamber. I want to highlight the critical role that Ayrshire hospice plays in my region and h...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
I, too, thank Sue Webber MSP for bringing the debate to the chamber and everyone here for their thoughtful contributions. I have listened carefully and with ...
Sue Webber Con
When the minister was out visiting the various hospices, I was at the Marie Curie hospice in Fairmilehead. They mentioned a pilot that has recently taken pla...
Jenni Minto SNP
I have been trying to go round and listen to hospices to hear what they have done. Sharon Dowey discussed what is happening in Ayrshire, and there is a lot o...
Jackie Baillie Lab
As 2024 is long, can the minister give us an indication of when in 2024 the strategy will be published, given that hospices have already been waiting for it ...
Jenni Minto SNP
I would love to give a more precise indication. I will go back to my officials to get the date, which I know is next year. We are working hard on that and I ...