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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2023

06 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fiscal Framework Review
Marra, Michael Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I have no doubt that there are significant problems with the autumn statement, the situation that the Tory Government has left this country in, the state that it has made of our economy and the fact that it is not sufficiently funding our public services—the Labour Party and I have said that clearly. If we have the great joy of having the opportunity to serve in Government in the years to come, Labour will have to deal with the situation that we find ourselves in. We know that there are difficult times ahead in that regard, and we know that the finance secretary has a difficult time on her hands in dealing with the budget that is in front of her. However, she also knows that the situation that this country finds itself in is because of the failure of the SNP to grow the economy, grow the median tax income and grow the tax receipts that fund our public services. That is the only way in which we can substantively deal with the situation that we face.

The actions that we are hearing about today are not those of a competent Government that is thinking strategically about how best to serve the people of Scotland. Rather, they are the actions of a Government that is in crisis, out of its depth, making it up as it goes along and caught in a maelstrom of its own scandals, gaffes and controversies. Scotland deserves far better than that.

I move amendment S6M-11546.3, to leave out from “, while” to end and insert:

“the deal was agreed to by both governments as part of the devolution settlement that has evolved significantly since 1998; regrets the lack of public scrutiny afforded by a rushed final agreement that saw the simultaneous publication of the Independent Report along with the political agreement, thereby preventing full parliamentary discussion and the input of expert bodies; believes that Scotland has been held back by the Scottish National Party administration and the UK Conservative administration, which have built a low-growth, low-wage economy and, as a result, the UK Autumn Statement was delivered in the context of a stagnating economy and the highest overall tax burden since the Second World War; notes the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s modelling of a £1.9 billion revenue gap by 2027-28 between the Scottish Government’s committed spending and projected available revenues; further notes that this analysis was undertaken prior to the First Minister’s further sizeable spending commitments made at the Scottish National Party conference in October 2023, and calls on both of Scotland’s governments to prioritise economic growth, to put wages into the pockets of hard-pressed people in Scotland, and to generate the taxes to pay for vital public services, which are currently undermined by the financial and economic incompetence of ministers in Edinburgh and London.”

15:21  
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11546, in the name of Shona Robison, on the fiscal framework review. I ask members who wish to speak in t...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Shona Robison) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the revised fiscal framework agreement. On 2 August, following a joint review, the Scottish Government and the United Ki...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In light of the point that the cabinet secretary has just made, does she believe that there is a case for looking again at the principles of the Smith commis...
Shona Robison SNP
I am open to having that discussion. When Liz Smith made that point at committee, I said that a lot of time has elapsed and a lot of changes have been made. ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Before I speak to our amendment, I apologise on behalf of my colleague Murdo Fraser, who is indisposed this afternoon, having fallen on the ice this morning....
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
Could Liz Smith develop the argument about whether the revised fiscal framework adequately provides for the scale of financial shocks that we are experiencin...
Liz Smith Con
Mr Swinney is making a constitutional point, and we disagree on these constitutional arrangements. The question of exogenous shocks relates not just to the c...
John Swinney SNP
I am not making a constitutional point. I am making a point about the substance of the autumn statement, because that fuels, in general, the size of the publ...
Liz Smith Con
Mr Swinney made exactly those points when he was finance secretary. He is not just talking about the current autumn statement. Mr Swinney would have been mak...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Is Liz Smith suggesting that paragraph 18 of the Smith commission report should also be up for review?
Liz Smith Con
No. I am talking very specifically about the four principles. The difficulty, which has been identified by independent analysis—not by politicians—is whether...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes. I can perhaps give you another minute and a half, in the light of the generosity in your taking of interventions, but no longer than that.
Liz Smith Con
We owe the officials in the Scottish and UK Governments our praise and congratulations for the way that they went about the renegotiation. They worked extrao...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I add my and Scottish Labour’s thanks to those given by Liz Smith to the officials and experts who were involved in what is a complex piece of work that has ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Michael Marra Lab
Not at the moment. I am just beginning, sir. Nowhere is that more apparent, I am afraid to say, than in the Government’s reality-denying post-truth response...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Marra Lab
No, sir. Faced with a budget black hole, we have a finance secretary who has embraced the Treasury on the limited borrowing powers that she describes, despe...
John Mason SNP
I thank the member for giving way. Will he commit the Labour Party to renegotiating the fiscal framework if Labour wins the next election?
Michael Marra Lab
We are all committed to continual development of the fiscal framework. There will be reviews in future parliamentary terms. I anticipate that the settlement ...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member give way?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you. Not on that point. The hasty agreement that was struck by the finance secretary was, frankly, one of a Government that is rushing from one cr...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you, sir. Professor David Bell, who is one of the three authors of the independent report, told the Finance and Public Administration Committee on...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you. The updated fiscal framework gives Scotland more borrowing powers. In the Parliament, the SNP frequently claims that it is powerless to deal ...
Shona Robison SNP
Given that litany of accusations, I wonder what Michael Marra would say to his Welsh Labour Government colleagues, who are facing exactly the same challenges...
Michael Marra Lab
I have no doubt that there are significant problems with the autumn statement, the situation that the Tory Government has left this country in, the state tha...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Liberal Democrats. The fiscal framework is, of course, key to the pooling and sharing of resources across our islands...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ash Regan to speak to and to move amendment S6M-11546.1, for up to six minutes. 15:27