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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2023

06 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fiscal Framework Review

I am pleased to open the debate on the revised fiscal framework agreement.

On 2 August, following a joint review, the Scottish Government and the United Kingdom Government published an updated version of the Scottish fiscal framework, thereby fulfilling a key commitment in the First Minister’s policy prospectus. The Government believes that Scotland’s future lies as an independent country and that it would be best served by the full range of fiscal powers and choices that independence would bring. However, until such a time as the people of Scotland choose a different constitutional path, we are committed to working with the current framework and working to improve on it.

The changes agreed with the UK Government are balanced and pragmatic. The new agreement strengthens the Scottish Government’s financial management levers and provides the Scottish Parliament and Government with greater long-term funding certainty. However, we need to be clear that, despite improvements to the framework, the fiscal position facing the Scottish budget remains extremely difficult.

The situation is, of course, made worse by decisions that were imposed by the UK Government in last month’s autumn statement. Once again, the UK Government has chosen to pursue an austerity budget that will have a profound consequence for Scotland’s public services. As the Institute for Fiscal Studies said of the autumn statement,

“the tax cuts are paid for by planned real cuts in public service spending.”

Even with the fiscal framework in place, levels of funding for the Scottish budget remain closely tied to spending decisions by the UK Government. Decisions to starve services in England hit our budget in Scotland, as the UK Government’s failure to invest in services in England means that the devolved Administrations in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not receive adequate consequentials.

A cursory look at the UK Government’s autumn statement for 2024-25 shows the devastating impact of Tory austerity being forced on services. Even using lower estimates of inflation, UK front-line resource budgets are being cut in real terms. For example, if planned UK day-to-day expenditure on services for 2024-25 had grown in real terms since 2022-23, health and social care spending would be more than £8 billion higher compared with Conservative plans for England.

The UK Government’s approach means that it has provided almost no funding to cover the cost of this year’s pay deal in 2023-24, never mind the cost of a 2024-25 pay deal. The lack of provision for the cost of national health service pay deals amounts to treating pay increases as though they were one-off costs, which they are not.

Prior to tax and welfare block grant adjustments, Scotland’s resource budget from the UK Government in 2024-25 will be more than £700 million lower than if funding had been in line with real terms over the two years. Changes to the fiscal framework cannot compensate for the scale of the UK Government’s failure to invest in public services at this time.

To return to the fiscal framework review, I make it clear that, although the revised agreement has delivered important improvements, the Scottish Government’s preference would have been for a review that was broader in scope. I also make it clear that, in some places, the agreement does not go as far as we would have wished. The scope of the review and its outcome were, of course, subject to agreement with the UK Government.

I also want to address the timing of the agreement. Throughout discussions with the UK Government on arrangements for the review, my predecessors and I have sought to balance the need to keep the Parliament informed with the need to maintain a confidential space for negotiations. In weighing whether to conclude an agreement during recess, I had to consider the benefits of securing improved borrowing powers in advance of the 2024-25 budget and the fact that we are negotiating with a UK Government that will probably go into election mode soon. Considering those circumstances, I concluded that it was appropriate and prudent to agree the revised agreement when the opportunity arose.

The Scottish fiscal framework plays a central role in determining the funding for the Scottish budget, and it has been key to enabling the devolution of the new tax and social security powers that were provided for in the Scotland Act 2016. The original fiscal framework, which was agreed in 2016, was the product of negotiations between the Scottish and UK Governments. Those negotiations were guided by the principles and recommendations that were articulated by the cross-party Smith commission, which published its findings in 2014. That remains the case for the revised agreement. The Barnett formula continues as the basis for calculating the block grant, and the framework continues to be bounded by the principles that were outlined by the Smith commission, including economic responsibility, sustainability and no detriment as a result of devolution.

Since 2016, the Scottish Government has used the tax and social security powers underpinned by the framework to pursue policies that are better tailored to Scotland’s needs. For example, the Scottish Government has delivered the fairest and most progressive income tax system in the UK, while raising extra revenue to invest in public services and Scotland’s economy. With devolved social security powers, the Scottish Government has ensured additional support for the most vulnerable in our society.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11546, in the name of Shona Robison, on the fiscal framework review. I ask members who wish to speak in t...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance (Shona Robison) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the revised fiscal framework agreement. On 2 August, following a joint review, the Scottish Government and the United Ki...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
In light of the point that the cabinet secretary has just made, does she believe that there is a case for looking again at the principles of the Smith commis...
Shona Robison SNP
I am open to having that discussion. When Liz Smith made that point at committee, I said that a lot of time has elapsed and a lot of changes have been made. ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Before I speak to our amendment, I apologise on behalf of my colleague Murdo Fraser, who is indisposed this afternoon, having fallen on the ice this morning....
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
Could Liz Smith develop the argument about whether the revised fiscal framework adequately provides for the scale of financial shocks that we are experiencin...
Liz Smith Con
Mr Swinney is making a constitutional point, and we disagree on these constitutional arrangements. The question of exogenous shocks relates not just to the c...
John Swinney SNP
I am not making a constitutional point. I am making a point about the substance of the autumn statement, because that fuels, in general, the size of the publ...
Liz Smith Con
Mr Swinney made exactly those points when he was finance secretary. He is not just talking about the current autumn statement. Mr Swinney would have been mak...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Is Liz Smith suggesting that paragraph 18 of the Smith commission report should also be up for review?
Liz Smith Con
No. I am talking very specifically about the four principles. The difficulty, which has been identified by independent analysis—not by politicians—is whether...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes. I can perhaps give you another minute and a half, in the light of the generosity in your taking of interventions, but no longer than that.
Liz Smith Con
We owe the officials in the Scottish and UK Governments our praise and congratulations for the way that they went about the renegotiation. They worked extrao...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I add my and Scottish Labour’s thanks to those given by Liz Smith to the officials and experts who were involved in what is a complex piece of work that has ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Michael Marra Lab
Not at the moment. I am just beginning, sir. Nowhere is that more apparent, I am afraid to say, than in the Government’s reality-denying post-truth response...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Marra Lab
No, sir. Faced with a budget black hole, we have a finance secretary who has embraced the Treasury on the limited borrowing powers that she describes, despe...
John Mason SNP
I thank the member for giving way. Will he commit the Labour Party to renegotiating the fiscal framework if Labour wins the next election?
Michael Marra Lab
We are all committed to continual development of the fiscal framework. There will be reviews in future parliamentary terms. I anticipate that the settlement ...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member give way?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you. Not on that point. The hasty agreement that was struck by the finance secretary was, frankly, one of a Government that is rushing from one cr...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you, sir. Professor David Bell, who is one of the three authors of the independent report, told the Finance and Public Administration Committee on...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Michael Marra Lab
No, thank you. The updated fiscal framework gives Scotland more borrowing powers. In the Parliament, the SNP frequently claims that it is powerless to deal ...
Shona Robison SNP
Given that litany of accusations, I wonder what Michael Marra would say to his Welsh Labour Government colleagues, who are facing exactly the same challenges...
Michael Marra Lab
I have no doubt that there are significant problems with the autumn statement, the situation that the Tory Government has left this country in, the state tha...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Liberal Democrats. The fiscal framework is, of course, key to the pooling and sharing of resources across our islands...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ash Regan to speak to and to move amendment S6M-11546.1, for up to six minutes. 15:27