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Meeting of the Parliament 05 December 2023

05 Dec 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Disability Equality and Human Rights

I am grateful to the Government for bringing its motion to the chamber for debate. When I think back to my time as convener of the for Scotland’s disabled children coalition, I can see that we have travelled a great distance. I recognise the good will in the minister’s remarks and the Government’s intent, but our legislation is only as good as its implementation, and that is often where legislation falls down. I will come on to that later.

As I said in my intervention on the minister, this is a timely debate, not least as it comes during the week in which we will debate a legislative reconsideration of our attempts to incorporate into Scots law the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. The disabled people who watch our proceedings this afternoon will watch us take steps to incorporate the UNCRC into law with a hunger and a desire for us to follow that with the incorporation of the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. I am therefore gratified by the minister’s restated commitment to that end and her timeline for it.

Disabled people matter. Their rights matter. It therefore matters a great deal that we do all that we can to include them in our society in every possible way; to take steps in this place so that people with disabilities prosper and achieve their potential; and not by act of either omission or commission to make their lives harder than they already are.

Sadly, in many ways, we miss the mark. The Scottish Government’s equality evidence finder reported that, in 2018, the employment rate for disabled people was 45 per cent, compared with 81 per cent for those without a disability. That represents a huge disparity in employment.

It comes then as no surprise that rates of poverty are far higher in households in which somebody lives with a disability, compared with those in which no one is disabled. In fact, half of those in poverty live in a household that has at least one disabled family member.

We must bear in mind that people with disabilities sometimes have additional strains on their budget. For example, due to reliance on assistive technologies, they might have higher fuel bills, higher electricity costs and other essential expenses. Often the poverty that people face, due to their having a disability, can mean that they are not able to meet their most basic needs. That is just not humane.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11537, in the name of Emma Roddick, on championing disability equality and human rights. 14:47
The Minister for Equalities, Migration and Refugees (Emma Roddick) SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
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Emma Roddick SNP
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Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
That is not the feedback that I often get from young people in my constituency. Those living in rural areas find those programmes very hard to access, and go...
Emma Roddick SNP
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Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Roddick SNP
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Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Please resume your seat for a second, Mr Briggs. I am finding your speech very interesting, but I am looking at the amendment that was selected—although it h...
Miles Briggs Con
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Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to participate in the debate and to speak about the experience of disabled people in Scotland so soon after the international day of persons wit...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Government for bringing its motion to the chamber for debate. When I think back to my time as convener of the for Scotland’s disabled ch...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On that point, is the member aware of the stark statistic that three out of four users of the Trussell Trust’s food banks are from a household with a disable...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Something is fundamentally wrong in our provision—in the safety net that we in this place seek to provide for families affected by disability—if such a dispr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. I remind all members who wish to speak in the debate to ensure that they have pressed their request-to-speak buttons. 15:25
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
The aim captured in the Government’s motion is that all disabled people should have freedom, dignity, choice and control over their lives. I hope that all of...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I very much enjoyed listening to the story of Kate Forbes’s uncle, but before she told us that story, she talked about giving people with disabilities a voic...
Kate Forbes SNP
That is absolutely fair and right. It is not just about listening to disabled people, but about having the courage to introduce policies that reflect the div...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We have quite a bit of time in hand, so interventions can easily be taken without any reduction in speaking time. With that, I call Annie Wells to be followe...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I welcome the chance today to talk about the challenges that disabled people face in Scotland. There is much in the motion that we can welcome. We agree that...
Kate Forbes SNP
I appreciate the member’s contribution. I am not sure that drug and alcohol deaths are specific to the discussion on disabled people that we are having right...
Annie Wells Con
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Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Pam Duncan-Glancy, who joins us online. 15:45
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
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Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a real pleasure to follow Karen Adam’s very powerful speech. Her ability to illustrate her childhood resulted in me almost being transported into that ...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I give special thanks to the disabled people’s organisations that provided briefings for the debate. Most of them included testimonies that give voice to the...