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Meeting of the Parliament 22 November 2023

22 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing
Griffin, Mark Lab Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

My colleagues at Westminster have been highlighting that economic illiteracy and will sweep that Government out of office and make changes for the better for this country. I want to talk about the Scottish Government’s responsibility and the action—or inaction—that has led to the housing emergency that it seems the entire country, apart from the Scottish Government, accepts we are in the grip of.

We cannot accept an amendment that denies the emergency, and we cannot accept an amendment that deflects and offers nothing new, because the facts set out that we are in the grip of a housing crisis on a national scale. There are 9,500 children in temporary accommodation—many of them for up to one year—and the number of people who are homeless is the highest on record, with another household made homeless every 16 minutes. By the time that I and the minister have spoken, two more households in this country will have been made homeless. There are 60,000 households at risk of repossession and 200,000 households languishing on waiting lists, and, despite an emergency rent freeze, rents have rocketed by 12 per cent in the past year and are increasing faster in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK.

Earlier today, Anas Sarwar and I met Shelter’s helpline team, who are on the front line in supporting people who are being made homeless. Day in and day out they support people with nowhere else to turn, who have been failed by councils that are, ultimately, running out of cash as they deal with the housing emergency. We heard about a person who had been sleeping in an out-of-use caravan in a mechanic’s yard. It had no electricity, water or heating, and, when the council found out, the person was told that there was no accommodation available, until a solicitor got involved. A woman with three children was moved from hotel to hotel for months and was forced to share a bedroom with her teenage children, and no adaptations were made for one of the children, who was using a wheelchair.

Most shockingly, we heard of a woman who has been in temporary accommodation for 10 years—she has spent 10 years in temporary accommodation. What is worse is that her six-year-old child has spent their entire life in temporary accommodation. That six-year-old has no concept of what a safe, secure place to call home is. That is an appalling indictment, and the fact that the Government cannot accept that there is a housing emergency when we have people in such circumstances is beyond belief.

My inbox, like those of many others in the chamber, is stuffed full of examples of families, children, and younger and older people who are stuck without somewhere that they can call home. Such stories are repeated across every part of the country, every day of the week. In recent weeks, I have heard from a woman with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease whose home is making her ill, a young family who have cut spending to the bone but are still a matter of weeks away from losing the roof over their heads, and a teenager who was kicked out of home and who is now couch surfing. Those are all devastating and miserable examples of how desperately people in need of a home in Scotland are living today.

However, rather than dealing with the scale of the problem, the Government is systematically underestimating the country’s needs. Councils have been set the task of finding land for a minimum of 200,000 homes over the next decade. Members might think that that number of homes would make a dent in the housing emergency—but only if it was the right number. Last week, Homes for Scotland revealed new data at its conference, which the minister attended, that would terrify any responsible Government into action—but not, it seems, this Government. Homes for Scotland is concerned that local development planning guidance will drastically underestimate real housing need, so it has commissioned a primary research-led report into the true housing need in Scotland in order to support planners. Measuring the number of people in the most extreme circumstances and counting only people who are in overcrowded and concealed households, as well as those who are homeless and in temporary accommodation, ignores the full picture. The Homes for Scotland survey of 14,000 Scottish households found that 28 per cent of Scottish households—700,000—have some form of housing need, which is far higher than the Government’s official estimate of 200,000.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11351, in the name of Mark Griffin, on Scotland’s housing emergency. I invite members who wish to partici...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Before we begin, I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I ceased to be a landlord over the summer. I am please...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
The member rather glided past the question of economic illiteracy in the United Kingdom Government. I do not think that it helps the debate for Mr Griffin to...
Mark Griffin Lab
My colleagues at Westminster have been highlighting that economic illiteracy and will sweep that Government out of office and make changes for the better for...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I have some sympathy with the scale of the challenge, as I will say later in the debate. However, real leadership requires sound policies to resolve it. The ...
Mark Griffin Lab
We would build more houses. Labour’s record in Government shows that we built an average of 5,000 more houses each year in office than this Government has ma...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Griffin.
Mark Griffin Lab
It is time for the Government to accept and admit that there is a housing emergency in Scotland and to support the motion. I move, That the Parliament agre...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Griffin. I remind those who are looking to participate in the debate but who have not already done so to press their request-to-speak button. ...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
I welcome this afternoon’s debate on housing. I also thank stakeholders who have engaged with us today, whom I meet on a regular basis. The Government has t...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will not at the moment, thanks. I have met many experts in the sector, and I have spoken to tenants in the private and social rented sectors. I have heard...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will not at the moment; I have only a limited time. Our ambition is for everyone to have a safe and affordable home that meets their needs—
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the minister be taking any interventions?
Paul McLennan SNP
Yes, I will—if I can make progress. That is why we are making £3.5 billion available in this parliamentary session for the delivery of more affordable and s...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will not at the moment, thanks. Scotland has seen 40 per cent more affordable homes delivered per head of population than in England and more than 70 per ...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will not at the moment, thanks. We have delivered more. Let us look at the figures, which I have here. Between 1999 and 2007, 43,500 affordable homes were...
Mark Griffin Lab
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
I will.
Mark Griffin Lab
Social homes are clearly crucial. The figures that I gave were for all-tenure house builds. In every single year of a Labour Government, we built, on average...
Paul McLennan SNP
Government does not build private houses. We help the private sector to do that, but we do not build private houses. The Scottish Government has delivered 40...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the minister give way on that point?
Paul McLennan SNP
No, I have to make progress. Back in 2016, we also brought an end to the UK Government’s policy of right to buy, which took more than 500,000 homes out of t...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the minister give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
No, thanks. Looking forward, we are committed to delivering our target of 110,000 affordable homes by 2032, of which at least 70 per cent will be availabl...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the member give way?
Paul McLennan SNP
No, I am not going to take—