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Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2023

16 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Culture in Communities

No—time is short today.

The lack of certainty and stability makes those organisations’ lives very difficult. That is just one example, but the committee’s report looked at many other funding issues. In particular, the extremely short-term approach of culture policy came in for substantial criticism. Professor David Stevenson, who is the dean of the school of arts, social sciences and management at Queen Margaret University, said that the “biggest challenge” that the culture sector faces is

“a persistent and pernicious obsession with short-term project funding.”—[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 27 April 2023; c 19.]

Scottish Ballet said that that approach created “a stop-start mechanism” and the Federation of Scottish Theatre also highlighted issues with the “inconsistency of funding”. Professor Stevenson said that, in other countries, there is

“much clearer understanding of how different elements of the funding landscape support different things.”—[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 27 April 2023; c 19.]

I hope that the Government reflects on that and learns from the best examples of how other countries operate. I note that, earlier this year, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, Angus Robertson, said that he was keen to work on a multiyear funding approach, and I hope that that work will conclude imminently. A clearer funding system would be very beneficial to the culture sector.

However, funding is not the only issue that needs to be addressed to promote culture more effectively in Scotland. The Government must also listen more closely to communities. As a point of principle, my party believes that local people are best placed to decide what is best for their community. We firmly support communities having more power to shape the cultural life in their own area. The best preservers and promoters of local heritage and cultural sites are the people in those areas. They must be empowered to take the lead themselves, free from the constraints of too much bureaucracy or too much imposition and top-down control from the Government. The role of the Government and councils must be to deliver the platform and environment that allow local communities to feel able to make a difference themselves. As things stand, the Government is not meeting its end of the bargain.

I return to Professor Stevenson’s evidence to the committee, in which he noted:

“we fall into thinking that there is a one-size-fits-all model”.

The report also notes his comments around the “danger” of helping individuals to overcome barriers to cultural participation only where they are

“barriers to the type of culture that we feel is valuable for them to take part in.”—[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 27 April 2023; c2, 4.]

It was welcome in Creative Scotland’s evidence to the committee that it acknowledged that

“There are cases of what might be felt as, ‘We are doing good to communities—we are offering you something, so come and see it,’ without understanding what it can mean to the people and what the unmet need is in that community.”—[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 8 June 2023; c 5.]

All the evidence seems to indicate that there is too much of a top-down approach to culture in Scotland at the moment. Local communities are often boxed into what cultural projects they get, which is not how things should be.

I hope that the Government will focus on improving how it co-operates and works with local communities, and I hope that it will address the inconsistency of funding, so that the culture sector can more effectively plan for the future.

16:10  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11153, in the name of Clare Adamson, on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to open this debate as convener of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. I would like to put on record my thanks t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry to interrupt, Ms Adamson, but I think that your allocated time is nine minutes.
Clare Adamson SNP
I beg your pardon, Deputy Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We do not have any time in hand.
Clare Adamson SNP
On that note, I will conclude. I move, That the Parliament notes the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Constitution, Europe, External Affair...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much, Ms Adamson. I call the Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, Angus Robertson. You have up to eight minutes, ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
I am pleased to be here today to hear from colleagues across the chamber about how we harness the opportunities and rise to the challenges of place-based cul...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The debate provides a welcome opportunity for the Parliament to set out its vision for embedding culture in our communities. An effective place-based approac...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As a committee member and on behalf of Scottish Labour, I am pleased to welcome the report, which highlights the benefits of a place-based approach to cultur...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with speeches of up to six minutes. 15:59
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I am a member of the committee but, unlike the previous speakers, I was not there during consideration of the report that we are discussing today, so I canno...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate on the conclusions and recommendations in the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee’s report, “Culture in Commun...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
No—time is short today. The lack of certainty and stability makes those organisations’ lives very difficult. That is just one example, but the committee’s r...
Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I praise the work of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. A lot of work goes into taking evidence and producing committee report...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee members who carried out the inquiry, those who gave evidence and the clerks and researchers for their work in distilling that evidence ...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I, too, put on record my thanks to the members and clerks of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Harper, we have no time in hand. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?
Emma Harper SNP
Okay—yes. I am in my final sentence. I welcome the committee’s report and the debate today. 16:30
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
It has been an absolute privilege to sit on the committee during this inquiry. We had a unique opportunity to hear from an incredible array of cultural organ...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
As a substitute member of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, I am pleased to speak in this debate, which has offered us the op...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Keith Brown SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Gosal Con
I do not think that I have enough time. The committee was therefore right to recommend that the Government work with Creative Scotland, the Convention of Sc...
The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development (Christina McKelvie) SNP
I thank my colleagues for their contributions and the committee, which is diligently chaired by Clare Adamson, for its detailed report. I am very pleased th...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
I call Donald Cameron to wind up the debate on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. 17:02
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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