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Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2023

16 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Culture in Communities
Brown, Keith SNP Clackmannanshire and Dunblane Watch on SPTV

I am a member of the committee but, unlike the previous speakers, I was not there during consideration of the report that we are discussing today, so I cannot speak with the same authority as them. However, I am absolutely on board with the place-based approach. In a culture debate a few weeks ago, I gave a number of examples of organisations in my constituency that take that approach, as well as stating the obvious, which is that we all want to see culture in Scotland thriving, and not just for economic reasons, which are very important, but because of the difference that it can make to people’s lives.

However, we need to be clear that, as was mentioned in the previous speech, the biggest obstacle in the way of the implementation of many of the recommendations in the report is the extremely limiting financial situation that we are in as a country, which the report rightly mentions. In my view, the current financial restraints that Scotland faces are perhaps the starkest that we have seen since this Parliament was established. We need to be really explicit with the people of Scotland. Bodies can all shout about sustainable multiyear funding, but if that is not what the Parliament is getting, how will we provide it? We must be serious about the challenges that we face.

The devolution settlements created a situation in which the UK Government still has control over the vast majority of Scotland’s finances. If the UK Government chooses to implement real-terms cuts, as it very often does, the Scottish Government must make difficult decisions to implement those cuts, either by cutting somewhere in the Scottish Government’s budget or by raising one of the few taxes for which the Scottish Government is responsible. Both those options are virtually always met with universal criticism from Opposition members.

On the point about local government, it is obviously constrained, but much less so in Scotland than it is in England or Wales. In England, there have been 40 per cent cuts to council budgets, and a number of councils have gone to the wall financially. We have not seen that in Scotland, although there is a difficult situation. We should acknowledge that and the impact that it has on a place-based approach to culture.

However, the Scottish Government has done, and it continues to do, what it can within the devolution settlement to support a place-based approach to culture in communities. I am also sure that the commitment to double funding for culture and the arts by £100 million over the next five years will play a part in furthering that approach.

The theme of the debate is challenges and opportunities. Although I have highlighted the challenges, I would also like to highlight the opportunities. Oddly, one of the side effects of austerity over the past 14 years has been the increase in community ownership of cultural assets, which we have seen across Scotland and which the report rightly highlights. During the summer, I visited Wimpy Park community garden in Alloa, which was recently taken over by Wimpy Park community group—a group of residents who had a vision and worked immensely hard to bring the garden to life. For members of the committee or anyone else who wants to visit it, I say that it is a real example of cultural empowerment in our communities—indeed, in one of our most deprived communities. That is absolutely to be commended.

The community garden is just one of a few examples in my Clackmannanshire and Dunblane constituency. Thanks, usually, to the work of immensely dedicated volunteers and community ownership, many formerly publicly owned spaces have taken on new roles in the community. Among many other such examples in my constituency, Tullibody Community Development Trust operates the civic centre in the town, the Dollar Community Development Trust operates the Hive in Dollar, the Dunblane Development Trust manages the Braeport Centre and—perhaps best of all—the Sauchie community group operates the Sauchie resource centre. All those facilities are used by their communities as spaces for culture, which is another important aspect of a place-based approach to culture, as is highlighted in the report.

I welcome the report. I will add that one of the most crucial aspects in delivering a place-based approach to culture in our communities is that we give the people in those places a significant role in developing and delivering services. However, as a Parliament, we need to be aware of the root causes of the significant financial challenges that face implementation of the recommendations in the report. We do not serve the people if we try to ignore the source of those financial constraints.

Austerity has been one of the biggest problems, but I will mention another that was brought home to me today during the committee session with touring musicians. It is in a different category, but it involves a very similar challenge. Brexit, largely, has caused a huge meltdown in their sector—we all heard the evidence. I asked the witnesses about the two scenarios that we were given about Brexit—one involved sunny uplands full of opportunity and no regulation; the other involved enormous economic and cultural self-harm. I can tell members that the latter characterises the experience of those touring musicians since Brexit. They also said that most of the factors that were causing them to suffer were predicted at the time of Brexit. We heard about the decimation of the Scottish culture sector in their area, and we heard about some Scottish artists having continued, but only if they could get an Irish passport. Those people are appearing at Irish events in Germany and elsewhere—not as Scottish artists but as Irish artists. That is the only way that they can continue.

It is as if a theatre curtain has come down on a vital part of our cultural heritage. Some people have lost their jobs and others have walked away from the sector, which is a loss to Scotland. An absolute crime is going on. The musicians laid the blame fairly and squarely at the door of Brexit, although, as we would expect them to do, they made requests of the Scottish Government about the support that it can provide. That is the reality of what our cultural sector is going through.

The news of the additional £100 million from the Government is very welcome, and I would endorse the request by some of the people whom we heard from today that some of that money finds its way to touring musicians, because that is so important for the international reputation of Scotland. It is how the rest of the world views us.

They also made the point, very fairly, that, grim as the situation is, Scotland is overendowed with talent and with artists who can enhance Scotland’s reputation. Therefore, my main appeal is that supporting that talent through the place-based approach that we are talking about today is done at the same time as we support culture and try to reverse the damage of Brexit, which has decimated our cultural sector.

16:05  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11153, in the name of Clare Adamson, on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to open this debate as convener of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. I would like to put on record my thanks t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry to interrupt, Ms Adamson, but I think that your allocated time is nine minutes.
Clare Adamson SNP
I beg your pardon, Deputy Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We do not have any time in hand.
Clare Adamson SNP
On that note, I will conclude. I move, That the Parliament notes the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Constitution, Europe, External Affair...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much, Ms Adamson. I call the Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, Angus Robertson. You have up to eight minutes, ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
I am pleased to be here today to hear from colleagues across the chamber about how we harness the opportunities and rise to the challenges of place-based cul...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The debate provides a welcome opportunity for the Parliament to set out its vision for embedding culture in our communities. An effective place-based approac...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As a committee member and on behalf of Scottish Labour, I am pleased to welcome the report, which highlights the benefits of a place-based approach to cultur...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with speeches of up to six minutes. 15:59
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I am a member of the committee but, unlike the previous speakers, I was not there during consideration of the report that we are discussing today, so I canno...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate on the conclusions and recommendations in the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee’s report, “Culture in Commun...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
No—time is short today. The lack of certainty and stability makes those organisations’ lives very difficult. That is just one example, but the committee’s r...
Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I praise the work of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. A lot of work goes into taking evidence and producing committee report...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee members who carried out the inquiry, those who gave evidence and the clerks and researchers for their work in distilling that evidence ...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I, too, put on record my thanks to the members and clerks of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Harper, we have no time in hand. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?
Emma Harper SNP
Okay—yes. I am in my final sentence. I welcome the committee’s report and the debate today. 16:30
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
It has been an absolute privilege to sit on the committee during this inquiry. We had a unique opportunity to hear from an incredible array of cultural organ...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
As a substitute member of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, I am pleased to speak in this debate, which has offered us the op...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Place-based approaches to culture are vital. They enable communities to make decisions about culture that best suit the needs and wants of the local populati...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to be able to contribute to today’s debate on how we can empower our communities to deliver a place-based approach. It is great to hear from aro...
Keith Brown SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Gosal Con
I do not think that I have enough time. The committee was therefore right to recommend that the Government work with Creative Scotland, the Convention of Sc...
The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development (Christina McKelvie) SNP
I thank my colleagues for their contributions and the committee, which is diligently chaired by Clare Adamson, for its detailed report. I am very pleased th...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
I call Donald Cameron to wind up the debate on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. 17:02
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The debate has been wide ranging and helpful. I add my thanks to the committee’s clerks for all their work on its inquiry into culture in the communities and...
Neil Bibby Lab
We heard evidence about the importance of transport links and of having affordable and reliable public transport to get people to spaces where they can acces...