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Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2023

16 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Culture in Communities
Stewart, Alexander Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

The debate provides a welcome opportunity for the Parliament to set out its vision for embedding culture in our communities. An effective place-based approach should empower communities to create cultural projects that meet their own needs. In a culturally diverse place such as Scotland, that raises the question of how we can best meet such needs.

On that question, there was broad consensus on what good practice should look like. Dumfries and Galloway Council perhaps put it best when it highlighted that effective cultural participation means allowing cultural projects to develop from the bottom up, rather than from the top down. In essence, it should be for communities to decide which cultural initiatives they would like to see, instead of governing bodies deciding that for them.

Community-based cultural organisations are a key part of achieving that objective. Throughout its inquiry, our committee heard evidence that organisations that are embedded in communities in the long term are far more effective at engaging. Ultimately, cultural engagement is a long-term project, and the way in which we engage with communities should reflect that.

We know that funding for such organisations is crucial. The culture collective programme has provided important funding for numerous arts projects across Scotland, which is to be welcomed. As of last month, that funding has ended, so a key recommendation of our committee’s report is that the Scottish Government should set out whether any further funding will be provided. I note the cabinet secretary’s comments, made over the past few days, on how such funding will be approached, and I have no doubt that the sector will embrace that. However, we must consider what we will do for the future. Following the Scottish Government’s recent U-turns on cultural funding, now is not the time for even more financial uncertainty for the sector.

Our committee also called for a more innovative approach to the funding of the culture sector in general. Although the evidence on whether community-led culture projects should be funded separately from professional arts organisations was inconclusive, it was clear that more flexibility in the funding system is needed. On that issue, the Stove Network highlighted that the current system forces community-based culture projects to compete for funding against differently structured projects, which sometimes causes conflict. Creative Lives described how cultural funding streams are most effective when there is scope for flexibility between different projects. Several stakeholders were clear that multiyear funding settlements could play an important part in any potential funding reforms.

The Scottish Government should listen to what the sector is telling it on the issue, because it understands how things should be managed. It wants the Government to take its concerns on board. It is time for the Government to come good on its talk about potential reforms. The sector has reformed itself, and continues to do so, but it wants the Scottish Government to be supportive of the reforms that it has suggested and which could be worked on collectively. I look forward to seeing whether that will happen.

Another key theme of the committee’s work was on community assets. Potential cultural venues include many spaces such as village halls, libraries and churches in our communities. Throughout the inquiry, the committee heard about various potential threats to many of those cultural assets.

Sometimes, communities feel under pressure to rescue venues that are at risk, and many have taken on such venues. It is a large responsibility for community groups to acquire venues, but it is only right that they should be empowered to do so with an understanding of the circumstances.

The Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill was passed back in 2015, and organisations have been working to ensure that it is applied. The power in relation to community asset transfers has been in effect since 2017, but there is still much to do to ensure that communities benefit from the potential of such transfers. Community groups are often fully aware of their legal right to acquire assets but, in practice, many groups are still finding it a little bureaucratic to take assets on board.

Some public bodies are still focused entirely on the monetary value of assets, and cultural shifts are still required to take full advantage of such assets. It is important for the Scottish Government to work together with councils to ensure that the process runs as smoothly as possible.

Since the 2015 act came into force, there have been 225 successful asset transfers. There is great cultural potential, but we must look at how to maximise that in our communities.

It is clear that the Scottish cultural landscape faces many challenges. It is also clear that that landscape is of great importance to many individuals and communities the length and breadth of Scotland. The landscape has many potential benefits for communities to harness, and they want to be empowered to do what they can. It is important for the Scottish Government to understand the logistics of that and work closely with partners, organisations and councils in a collective way to embrace the community culture that is vital for many individuals and organisations.

I hope that the Government will approach in good faith the recommendations in our committee’s report and will commit to playing its part in protecting this vital sector and the vital assets that communities have, because our society depends on that. Scottish culture is recognised the world over. Communities have a part to play in that, but so does the Government.

15:52  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11153, in the name of Clare Adamson, on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture ...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to open this debate as convener of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. I would like to put on record my thanks t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry to interrupt, Ms Adamson, but I think that your allocated time is nine minutes.
Clare Adamson SNP
I beg your pardon, Deputy Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We do not have any time in hand.
Clare Adamson SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
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Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with speeches of up to six minutes. 15:59
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
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Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
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Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
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Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
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Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Harper, we have no time in hand. Could you bring your remarks to a close, please?
Emma Harper SNP
Okay—yes. I am in my final sentence. I welcome the committee’s report and the debate today. 16:30
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
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Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
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Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Keith Brown SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Gosal Con
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The Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development (Christina McKelvie) SNP
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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
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