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Meeting of the Parliament 14 November 2023

14 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Migration to Scotland: Scottish Government Proposals
Hepburn, Jamie SNP Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

Migration has had a hugely positive impact on Scotland throughout our history. We have been enriched by the contribution of those who have chosen to make Scotland their home. The positive impact of migration to Scotland can be felt in our families, in our communities, in our workplaces and, indeed, in this very Parliament. Every day, we see the important role that people who have chosen to make their home in Scotland play in supporting the delivery of our public services, in all sectors of our economy, in the academic and student communities of our colleges and universities and in our rich shared culture.

We should rightly be proud of the history of migrants in this country, but we also know that migration is vital to Scotland’s future. For the past two decades, migration has been the main driver of population growth in Scotland. In addition to international migrants choosing Scotland as their home, inward migration from the rest of the United Kingdom to Scotland has been greater than outward migration from Scotland in every year since 2001-02. Migration matters to Scotland. That is why it is essential to continue to stress that Scotland is a welcoming and attractive country for those seeking to make a contribution here.

However, Scotland’s migration policy is decided not in this Parliament but at Westminster. Both the Tories and the Labour Party want to keep it that way. That means that we are at the mercy of right-wing UK Government Home Secretaries who are seemingly determined to adopt ever more extreme language and policy positions. Indeed, it is hard to imagine anything more damaging to Scotland’s interests than the disgraceful, shameful rhetoric warning of a “hurricane” of migrants coming our way. Suella Braverman might no longer be the Home Secretary, but there is no indication that James Cleverly will change direction. For the current UK Government, the hostile environment has not been hostile enough. For Labour and the Liberal Democrats, no matter the cost to Scotland, that is a price worth paying to maintain Westminster control over this Parliament and this country.

The Scottish Government takes a very different position. The sixth paper in our “Building a New Scotland” series—“Migration to Scotland after independence”—sets out very clearly the problems of the current UK approach to migration and why it does not work for Scotland’s economy or for our communities. The risk that is posed by a declining working-age population presents fundamental challenges to the resilience and sustainability of our communities, businesses and public services.

Migrants can make a real difference in key sectors of our economy by strengthening and supplementing local skills, as well as by taking up jobs in regional economies that would otherwise be hard to fill. In line with our ambitions for a more entrepreneurial Scotland, research by the Federation of Small Businesses found that one in 10 small to medium-sized enterprises in Scotland is migrant led. That is why a coherent and flexible immigration system is crucial to Scotland’s success.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11237, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on building a new Scotland—migration to Scotland after independence....
The Minister for Independence (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Migration has had a hugely positive impact on Scotland throughout our history. We have been enriched by the contribution of those who have chosen to make Sco...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister recognise that initiatives such as the ScotGrad scheme have been particularly effective not just in placing postgraduate students from an i...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I recognise that having specific schemes that are predicated on specific outcomes can make a difference, and I will come on to that in a few moments. Althou...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
On the population strategy and the focus of that work, does the minister acknowledge that there is a broad cross-section of opinion in Scotland that supports...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for that intervention, minister.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Yes, I recognise the point that Mr Swinney makes. Specific sectors and organisations make that point frequently. I know that Mr Swinney will encounter that i...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
A fine paper.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I can see that Mr Fraser is excited by that prospect. He will know that, in that paper, the Conservatives describe the migration shifts to our urban centres ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Hepburn SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, minister.
Paul Sweeney Lab
I thank the minister for giving way. He has been very generous with his time. The minister mentioned the need to recruit health and social care workers, whi...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
We will always consider what we can do within the powers that we have, but it would be far better if we had those powers in our hands in the first place, so ...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I had a familiar sense of déjà vu while reading the Scottish Government’s motion ahead of today’s debate. Aside from the usual criticism of the UK Government...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
The member suggests that this area is not a priority for the people of Scotland. Would he recognise that many of our public services, such as social care, an...
Donald Cameron Con
Net migration has doubled—I will come on to that—but the real issue for the minister is why his Government has failed to improve those public services, given...
John Swinney SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Donald Cameron Con
I will continue. That £80,000 is on top of the £1.5 million that the Scottish Government allocates to civil servants who are working on its independence pro...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Donald Cameron Con
Not at the moment. Although the sentiment might be welcome, the fact remains that Scotland’s rural population has been in free fall for some time and the Go...
The Minister for Equalities, Migration and Refugees (Emma Roddick) SNP
I agree with the member that we could take more migrants; that is exactly what the Scottish Government is offering to do here and through responses to humani...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Donald Cameron, I can give you the time back for the intervention.
Donald Cameron Con
I say to the minister that, instead of debating a paper on a hypothetical migration policy in the event of independence, what the Parliament should be debati...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Donald Cameron Con
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Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Today, we have the opportunity to discuss issues of migration, including migration to, and internally within, Scotland. I welcome the chance to discuss how w...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
In the spirit of looking for solutions to the issues that Paul O’Kane has rightly outlined, I note that Labour is keen to get the keys to number 10, so how w...
Paul O’Kane Lab
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Jamie Hepburn SNP
Will the member give way?