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Meeting of the Parliament 09 November 2023

09 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I have already taken a number of interventions, and I need to make some progress.

That would cause real and practical issues for large, cross-border employers. A member of staff in Scotland would have different employment rights to one working elsewhere in the UK. A member of staff who moved from Manchester to Glasgow might benefit from greater employment rights, while the opposite would be the case for one moving in the other direction. That would be an administrative nightmare.

That tells us the SNP-Green Government’s true priorities for the economy. It does not want to deliver faster growth, help businesses to expand, improve our woeful start-up rate or increase the number of secure, well-paid jobs. This debate is about creating a constitutional fight with Westminster, because that is what this Government is obsessed with, to the exclusion of everything else.

There are real issues in the Scottish economy and the Government should be addressing those. That is why we should be looking at the real problems in the Scottish economy and at what we can do to address them.

This week, I read CBI Scotland’s budget submission, which made some excellent suggestions on realising Scotland’s net zero opportunities, developing infrastructure, improving transport, enhancing skills and fostering a competitive business environment. Other business organisations’ submissions are available, but they all have a very similar theme. They want to see the Government creating an environment where businesses can grow, expand their workforce and, therefore, pay better wages. They will do that with the right framework of support, not with further regulations and additional burdens, which is the direction that this Government is going in.

Already, and in contrast to what the cabinet secretary had to say, the UK Government has delivered significant progress in supporting workers. It is the UK Government that introduced the national living wage, which is now £10.42 per hour. In addition, the rise in income tax thresholds means that many lower-paid workers pay next to no income tax on what they earn.

The Scottish Government needs to focus on delivering faster growth here in Scotland. If we could at least match UK economic growth over a 10-year period, that would give us an extra £7 billion in tax revenues that we could spend, which would go a long way towards addressing many of the budgetary challenges that the Scottish Government faces today.

Rather than having a Government that is focused on that objective of delivering economic growth, what we have is one that is obsessed with the constitution, picking fights with Westminster and playing silly political games in the chamber. Businesses that are looking in, hoping for a change in direction from this Government and hoping that the new deal for business will mean something other than empty words, will be sorely disappointed.

I move amendment S6M-11161.2, to leave out from “agrees” to end and insert:

“acknowledges that the Scottish Government’s own economic record is characterised by sluggish growth and a lack of competitiveness; notes that progress in fair work and economic prosperity can only be achieved through a collaborative approach with the UK Government, rather than by advocating for further devolution of employment powers, which is not supported by the business community, and urges the Scottish Government to change tack and focus on effective, pro-market policies and measures to improve Scotland's economic situation and job prospects, as outlined in the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party’s paper, Grasping the Thistle.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11161, in the name of Neil Gray, on fair work in a wellbeing economy. 14:58
The Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy (Neil Gray) SNP
Our vision is for a wellbeing economy that supports fair and green economic growth and that benefits people and communities across Scotland, providing opport...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will do shortly. In 2023, the gender pay gap for all employees in Scotland was 8.7 per cent, which is lower than the comparable figure for the UK—14.3 per...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The Fair Work Convention’s report also highlighted a number of areas in which the Scottish Government could go further. Which of those is the most important ...
Neil Gray SNP
As I said, I welcome the Fair Work Convention’s report. It provides a very helpful measure of where we are and the progress that we are making, but it is als...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Neil Gray SNP
Bear with me a second. The report indicates that, in addition to Scotland having the highest levels of pay in the UK, it has the lowest levels of low-paid i...
Brian Whittle Con
What will the Scottish Government do to tackle the high levels of economically inactive people in Scotland, especially those with ill health?
Neil Gray SNP
Levels of economic inactivity are too high in Scotland, as they are across the whole of the UK, so we need to look at what can be done to address that. This ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Neil Gray give way?
Neil Gray SNP
I will, for the final time.
Murdo Fraser Con
We are six minutes into the cabinet secretary’s speech and he has not yet mentioned the wording of his motion, in which there is a specific call for the devo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I will give you the time back for the intervention.
Neil Gray SNP
Thank you—I appreciate that. I note that Murdo Fraser’s amendment to the motion contains little more than a passing mention of fair work, which shows the Co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We have a little bit of time in hand, so members can have the time back for any interventions that they take. 15:11
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It has been a rather bizarre debate so far. Interruption. We have had one long speech from the cabinet secretary and various interventions. Despite the fact ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
Yes, I will give way to Mr McKee—a member of the Government in exile.
Ivan McKee SNP
Does Murdo Fraser not recognise that international data clearly shows that countries and economies that prioritise fair work and that have high standards of ...
Murdo Fraser Con
I know that Mr McKee has a record in business, so he should be listening to what business voices are saying about what the Scottish Government should be focu...
The Minister for Independence (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Does Mr Fraser expect us to take seriously the notion of a Conservative member of the Scottish Parliament talking about the need for economic growth when his...
Murdo Fraser Con
That is nonsense. I do not know whether the minister has looked at what has happened to economies elsewhere in the world. The UK is performing better than ma...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Would Murdo Fraser accept that there is quite a lot of variety in the business community and that, although some businesses need more support, others are mak...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Mr Fraser.
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Mason needs to engage with major figures in the business community, particularly in sectors such as finance, which has a very fluid and flexible workforce...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
No, I have given away about four or five times and really need to make some progress.
Neil Gray SNP
Three times.
Murdo Fraser Con
Rather than learn from that experience, this Government wants to go further and to create a different employment law regime here in Scotland. That will not a...