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Meeting of the Parliament 09 November 2023

09 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fair Work in a Wellbeing Economy
Gray, Neil SNP Airdrie and Shotts Watch on SPTV

Thank you—I appreciate that.

I note that Murdo Fraser’s amendment to the motion contains little more than a passing mention of fair work, which shows the Conservative Party’s hesitation in engaging on the fair work agenda in this context.

I am more than happy to address the point that Murdo Fraser raised. There is a new deal for business sub-group for discussions on ensuring the wellbeing of the economy, which is one of the elements. Businesses are, of course, signed up to, and understand the need for, fair work conditionality and fair work in workplaces. There is a pretty well-recognised acceptance across Scotland, including among members of the business community, of the advantages that could come from the devolution of employment law, including the advantages for businesses themselves.

Scotland’s employability service is underpinned by our “No one left behind” approach. It delivers person-centred and responsive services that meet the needs of individuals, employers and local labour markets. We are investing up to £108 million this year in the delivery of all-age employability support. On my recent visit to All in Dundee, I heard about the positive impact that our distinctly Scottish approach to employability is having in supporting disabled people into employment.

Our distinctive approach to key relationships in Scotland is working for us. The new deal for business is heralding effective partnership working with business on the economy. The Verity house agreement is resetting how we work with local government to deliver key public services, and it recognises the contribution of workforces at local level.

The Government understands the importance of a fair work approach to unlocking the full potential of our workforce and achieving a thriving, fair, green and growing economy. Our actions show our determination to be a successful and leading fair work nation, in spite of inaction from the United Kingdom Government. However, inequalities remain and insecure work persists. Although Scotland has one of the lowest levels of insecure work in the UK, it remains a concerning feature in our economy.

The evidence is clear that comparator nations—the Nordics, Austria and Belgium, for instance—outperform the UK across a range of economic and social indicators. Those nations achieve better labour market outcomes, alongside higher gross domestic product per capita, higher productivity, higher levels of business investment and higher levels of innovation. The UK’s deregulated labour market has not supported higher productivity, growth or wages, but it has led to relatively high prevalence of both low and very high wages, resulting in higher income inequality.

The type of labour market that we support has a bearing on the overall functioning of our society. With full control over employment law, the Scottish Government could choose to balance the rights and responsibilities of workers and employers, creating a labour market in which fair work is the norm.

The changing nature of work, with the growth over the past 20 years in atypical work—for example, self-employed, part-time, agency, temporary, zero-hours contract, multijob, gig economy and platform work—means that there is a gap in worker protections. That was highlighted in the UK Government’s 2017 Taylor review of modern working practices. I understand that it is challenging to achieve the reforms that are required in such areas, but workers who have non-standard working patterns often have no entitlement to statutory sick pay, paternity leave, maternity leave or other paid leave. They are also likely to have reduced opportunities to train and progress in work.

Therefore, raising minimum standards for all our workers—not just those in standard full-time jobs—requires deliberate corrective action, but recent Westminster Government labour market policies seem to be moving us in the opposite direction. They include inadequate enforcement of minimum employment standards, including the national minimum wage; the introduction of the Trade Union Act 2016, which makes it more difficult for trade unions to take industrial action and to organise in the workplace; plans to introduce fees for employment tribunals; and the Strikes (Minimum Service Levels) Act 2023.

Members of the Scottish Government have repeatedly voiced our opposition to the UK Government’s Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023 and anti-trade union legislation. The recent strikes act is unnecessary, unwanted and ineffective. It undermines legitimate trade union activity and does not respect the Scottish Government’s fair work principles or the devolution settlement.

The Scottish Trades Union Congress agrees, as does the UK TUC, which backed a motion calling for the devolution of employment law to Scotland. As the STUC reiterates in its briefing for this debate, the devolution of employment law offers an opportunity to redesign the system to better meet the needs of workers and employers. Further measures could draw on the recommendations of recent commissions, such as the Taylor review, which I mentioned, and the Institute for Public Policy Research’s commission on economic justice.

In “Building a New Scotland: A stronger economy with independence”, we proposed several measures that could be implemented through the devolution of employment law or through independence: a fair mandatory national minimum wage that reflects the cost of living; improved access to flexible working; the repeal of the UK Trade Union Act 2016; and gender pay gap reporting for companies with fewer than 250 employees. We also continue to call for the devolution of the access to work programme, to ensure that that programme, which supports people with a health condition or disability, is delivered in a way that respects the needs of Scotland’s labour market.

We do not support the UK Government’s economic model, which actively promotes a deterioration of workers’ rights and deprioritises the global imperative of a green and just transition to net zero. Scotland has its own distinct needs and values, so, instead, we are pursuing a green transition, which will be supported by our energy sector just transition plans and our forthcoming green industrial strategy. We are pursuing fair work, good jobs and rising productivity across our workplaces and regions, and we are pursuing a wellbeing economy and social justice as key outcomes from economic growth.

However, we could move faster. Securing the full range of powers in relation to employment law will enable the Scottish Parliament to implement policies that are in favour of our ambition for a fair, green and growing economy, and we call on members of this Parliament to support the devolution of employment powers as a clear next step in that agenda.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees that the position of the UK Government on trade union legislation, industrial relations and employment law works against the ambitions to make Scotland a fair work nation; recognises that the current approach of the UK Government contributes to lower productivity and higher inequality than is the case in countries comparable to Scotland, and calls, therefore, for the devolution of employment powers to the Scottish Parliament, as supported by the Scottish Trades Union Congress.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11161, in the name of Neil Gray, on fair work in a wellbeing economy. 14:58
The Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy (Neil Gray) SNP
Our vision is for a wellbeing economy that supports fair and green economic growth and that benefits people and communities across Scotland, providing opport...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will do shortly. In 2023, the gender pay gap for all employees in Scotland was 8.7 per cent, which is lower than the comparable figure for the UK—14.3 per...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The Fair Work Convention’s report also highlighted a number of areas in which the Scottish Government could go further. Which of those is the most important ...
Neil Gray SNP
As I said, I welcome the Fair Work Convention’s report. It provides a very helpful measure of where we are and the progress that we are making, but it is als...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Neil Gray SNP
Bear with me a second. The report indicates that, in addition to Scotland having the highest levels of pay in the UK, it has the lowest levels of low-paid i...
Brian Whittle Con
What will the Scottish Government do to tackle the high levels of economically inactive people in Scotland, especially those with ill health?
Neil Gray SNP
Levels of economic inactivity are too high in Scotland, as they are across the whole of the UK, so we need to look at what can be done to address that. This ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will Neil Gray give way?
Neil Gray SNP
I will, for the final time.
Murdo Fraser Con
We are six minutes into the cabinet secretary’s speech and he has not yet mentioned the wording of his motion, in which there is a specific call for the devo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I will give you the time back for the intervention.
Neil Gray SNP
Thank you—I appreciate that. I note that Murdo Fraser’s amendment to the motion contains little more than a passing mention of fair work, which shows the Co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We have a little bit of time in hand, so members can have the time back for any interventions that they take. 15:11
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
It has been a rather bizarre debate so far. Interruption. We have had one long speech from the cabinet secretary and various interventions. Despite the fact ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
Yes, I will give way to Mr McKee—a member of the Government in exile.
Ivan McKee SNP
Does Murdo Fraser not recognise that international data clearly shows that countries and economies that prioritise fair work and that have high standards of ...
Murdo Fraser Con
I know that Mr McKee has a record in business, so he should be listening to what business voices are saying about what the Scottish Government should be focu...
The Minister for Independence (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Does Mr Fraser expect us to take seriously the notion of a Conservative member of the Scottish Parliament talking about the need for economic growth when his...
Murdo Fraser Con
That is nonsense. I do not know whether the minister has looked at what has happened to economies elsewhere in the world. The UK is performing better than ma...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Would Murdo Fraser accept that there is quite a lot of variety in the business community and that, although some businesses need more support, others are mak...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Mr Fraser.
Murdo Fraser Con
Mr Mason needs to engage with major figures in the business community, particularly in sectors such as finance, which has a very fluid and flexible workforce...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
No, I have given away about four or five times and really need to make some progress.
Neil Gray SNP
Three times.
Murdo Fraser Con
Rather than learn from that experience, this Government wants to go further and to create a different employment law regime here in Scotland. That will not a...