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Meeting of the Parliament 08 November 2023

08 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Cashback for Communities
McCall, Roz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I add my support for the cashback for communities programme and for the Scottish Conservative amendment. I commend the scheme and recognise that, since 2008, it has managed to reinvest in community projects up to £130 million of the money that has been obtained through the proceeds of crime legislation.

I also want to highlight that, in the most recent round of cashback funding, which was in March, it was pledged that £20 million would be invested in projects that support young people into employment. I note that that funding aims to deliver a range of trauma-informed and person-centric services, with the cashback for communities website stating that services and activities will be delivered for young people who are at risk of being involved in antisocial behaviour and young people who have been impacted by adverse childhood experiences, for young people’s health, including their mental health, and to support communities that have been affected by crime.

My colleague Meghan Gallacher highlighted the moving forward+ programme, which is delivered by the National Autistic Society, but it is worth repeating that that programme supports disadvantaged autistic young people on the path to becoming more engaged citizens, which, in turn, reduces their chances of becoming victims or perpetrators of crime.

It will come as no surprise to anyone that I applaud the focus of the most recent round of funding, and I will be very interested in any information on the outcomes of phase 6 of the programme.

I ask members to imagine what could be done if the full amount of confiscation orders was collected and if we could remove more dirty money from organised crime gangs. According to the latest data from the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service, more than £1.5 million-worth of confiscation orders are currently in arrears. Of the £19 million-worth of orders that have been imposed over the past five years, £14 million has been paid off, which leaves a staggering £5 million outstanding and uncollected. In 2022, it was reported that more than £11 million of dirty money had not been paid back. When we consider the good that such money could do and the fact that it has been obtained through criminal processes, it is imperative that we ensure that the orders that are imposed are paid in full.

It is also necessary that the confiscation orders are robust and fitting, given the amount that was earned from the crime committed. I was shocked to hear of a case in which a person, after selling fake luxury items such as watches, sunglasses, clothing and aftershave totalling more than £1 million, was requested to repay only £31,000. That is utterly ridiculous. I was also shocked to hear that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service had “no issue” with reducing the amount to be repaid after an appeal. Unfortunately, that narrative makes a mockery of the system and only perpetuates a soft-touch approach to people who break the law and swindle people out of their hard-earned money, and it seems to underscore the message that crime does pay, when it should not.

Surely it would be sensible to review the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 so that we can look to recover more cash from organised crime gangs and cunning petty swindlers. Too many times, organised crime makes substantial sums, but authorities are unable to recover those ill-gotten gains or they simply do not have the resources to fulfil the task. More powers should be afforded so that our justice system can go after the criminal gangs, apply appropriate penalties and force payment in full.

I will always stand up for trauma-experienced children and young people, and if there is a way in which we can redistribute funds to actively support positive change in the lives of our young people and help them to thrive and go on to achieve their potential, it will have my full support. Let us review the 2002 act, update the serious organised crime strategy and properly fund the programme to put cash back into our communities.

16:29  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11127, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on cashback for communities. I invite members who wish to participa...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
Many members will already be familiar with the cashback for communities programme and the work that it delivers in their communities. Some may have even visi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are tight for time across the rest of the afternoon, so members who want to speak should press their request-to-speak buttons now. I call Russell Findlay...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
We agree with the Scottish Government motion on cashback for communities, and I hope that the Government finds agreement with our constructive amendment. Dr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The member makes a very important point. I want to ask a question that I intend to be helpful, although it might be too complicated to answer here and now. W...
Russell Findlay Con
I will attempt to come on to that, but I have a lot to say. Criminals now regard proceeds of crime orders as a form of retrospective taxation—essentially, a...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to follow Russell Findlay, who makes a powerful case for a review, and to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We support the programm...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
The member will be aware of the cross-border nature of much of that crime, including the supply of drugs to Scotland by road and rail from England. Given tha...
Katy Clark Lab
I would be very happy to write to the UK Government with Keith Brown. He clearly has a huge amount of experience to draw upon and I am sure that he is absolu...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak in this debate on the cashback for communities programme. The Scottish Liberal Democrats believe that reducing crime involves a co-ord...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. We are tight for time. I call Christine Grahame, who has up to four minutes. 15:56
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Frequently, we become so accustomed to the innovative policies that the Parliament has introduced that we forget to reflect on—and, in some circumstances, to...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the many interesting aspects of our role as MSPs is learning about incentives that bring cash back to our local communities. I welcome the opportunity...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Scotland has committed to getting it right for every child and to creating an equal society in which every child and young person in Scotland can reach their...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Cashback for communities has reinvested the proceeds of crime in our communities, thereby supporting more than 1 million young people, including many in Mid ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am an ambassador for Ocean Youth Trust Scotland. I am pleased to speak in the debate b...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I welcome the motion and share its commendation of the cashback for communities programme. Over its 15-year history, it has developed to become more sensitiv...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown—who is no relation—for bringing the motion to the chamber for debate. I commend the work of cashback for communities, which uses money...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I add my support for the cashback for communities programme and for the Scottish Conservative amendment. I commend the scheme and recognise that, since 2008,...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is right that consensus has been found in the chamber today, in so far as it has been recognised that the cashback for communities programme has been bene...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I need to ask you to conclude.
Carol Mochan Lab
To conclude, I support this reinvestment in our communities. 16:33
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Over the past 15 years, the cashback for communities programme has played a crucial role in the lives of countless young people and communities across Scotla...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this debate. It is some time since the Parliament discussed the cashback for communities programme. It is important to start off with Russell Fin...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Today’s debate has been interesting and worth while. This Parliament does not spend enough time debating the justice system or how to tackle the crime that i...
Keith Brown SNP
Given what Sharon Dowey has said about trying to increase the amount of money that is taken in from the proceeds of crime, would she be willing to write, alo...
Sharon Dowey Con
Mr Brown and Ms Clark have been in the justice section for a lot longer than I have, so I would want to see more detail on that. At present, all the moneys f...
Marie McNair SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
I will make some more progress, because I want to get through a lot of contributions from members. Crime gangs have already been emboldened by weaknesses in...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank everyone who has taken part in today’s debate and shared their positive experiences of the cashback for communities programme’s 15 years of benefitin...