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Meeting of the Parliament 08 November 2023

08 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Cashback for Communities
Brown, Keith SNP Clackmannanshire and Dunblane Watch on SPTV

I thank Siobhian Brown—who is no relation—for bringing the motion to the chamber for debate. I commend the work of cashback for communities, which uses money collected from the proceeds of crime to fund projects to support young people. The motion rightly recognises the positive work of the organisation, as have many of the speeches in the debate, but I will address the underlying rationale behind the creation of cashback for communities. It is one of a raft of Scottish Government measures that take a preventative approach to crime by seeking to address its root causes—in this case, issues such as social isolation, loneliness and peer pressure among young people.

That point is particularly pertinent given the scenes of irresponsible firework use that we saw across Scotland over the past week. I urge all members, when we address such incidents, to think about not only the rules and regulations on the sale of fireworks—many of which lie with Westminster—but the underlying social factors that cause such behaviour in the first place. I do not disagree with some of the points that Maggie Chapman made, but the greater harms that she talked about have to be addressed in the context of the austerity years that we are going through.

Cashback for communities has spent £130 million supporting around 1.3 million young people across Scotland since its creation, 15 years ago—not least in my constituency, where the funding has supported organisations such as Play Alloa and Lornshill academy’s school of football. It has also worked closely with local groups such as Connect Alloa and Ochil Youths Community Improvement to deliver homelessness awareness projects, art sessions, sessions on alcohol and drugs awareness and anti-vandalism projects over that 15-year period. Last year, I opened one of cashback for communities’ outreach events at Hawkhill Community Association in Alloa, which was an opportunity to celebrate what the programme offers our young people: an opportunity to come together and learn from each other in a young person-led environment.

Of course, as the chief officer of Clackmannanshire Third Sector Interface, Anthea Coulter, often states, Clackmannanshire could always benefit from further support from the programme to address local challenges that arise, as could Dunblane and Bridge of Allan. I know that she would welcome the opportunity to meet the minister along with me to discuss our local context. I will write to the minister about that.

It would be wrong to highlight the success that cashback for communities has had in achieving its dual goals of financial investment in our communities and preventing crime before it happens without highlighting the significant challenges that both of those goals face. I refer again to the 14 years of Westminster austerity, which has changed our communities beyond all recognition. I suggest that that austerity has been a significant contributor to the loneliness, isolation and peer pressure among young people, despite the immense work of the organisations that cashback for communities supports, which work hard to support our charities, social enterprises and voluntary groups as they support our young people. Although cashback for communities has made a significant difference to our society—not least in my constituency—much of that hard work, from the viewpoint of financial investment and of addressing the root causes of crime, is under threat by the unwanted Westminster austerity that is being forced on Scotland.

I am grateful to Katy Clark for agreeing to write to the UK Government with me on this point. The scope of cashback for communities could be substantially expanded, as could its effect on families and communities in Scotland if Westminster were to follow the same approach by bringing back some of the proceeds of crime to help communities, including those in Scotland that are affected by, for example, the drug trade coming through road and rail routes from England and the rest of the UK to Scotland.

Notwithstanding that point, I agree that there should be a review and that people should satisfy themselves that the right criteria are being used for the awards. I am well aware that there is limited scope for ministers to direct the awards, but there is no harm in having a review.

I support the motion in the name of Siobhian Brown.

16:24  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
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Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
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Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
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Russell Findlay Con
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Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
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Katy Clark Lab
I would be very happy to write to the UK Government with Keith Brown. He clearly has a huge amount of experience to draw upon and I am sure that he is absolu...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak in this debate on the cashback for communities programme. The Scottish Liberal Democrats believe that reducing crime involves a co-ord...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. We are tight for time. I call Christine Grahame, who has up to four minutes. 15:56
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Frequently, we become so accustomed to the innovative policies that the Parliament has introduced that we forget to reflect on—and, in some circumstances, to...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the many interesting aspects of our role as MSPs is learning about incentives that bring cash back to our local communities. I welcome the opportunity...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Scotland has committed to getting it right for every child and to creating an equal society in which every child and young person in Scotland can reach their...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Cashback for communities has reinvested the proceeds of crime in our communities, thereby supporting more than 1 million young people, including many in Mid ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am an ambassador for Ocean Youth Trust Scotland. I am pleased to speak in the debate b...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I welcome the motion and share its commendation of the cashback for communities programme. Over its 15-year history, it has developed to become more sensitiv...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown—who is no relation—for bringing the motion to the chamber for debate. I commend the work of cashback for communities, which uses money...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I add my support for the cashback for communities programme and for the Scottish Conservative amendment. I commend the scheme and recognise that, since 2008,...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is right that consensus has been found in the chamber today, in so far as it has been recognised that the cashback for communities programme has been bene...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I need to ask you to conclude.
Carol Mochan Lab
To conclude, I support this reinvestment in our communities. 16:33
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Over the past 15 years, the cashback for communities programme has played a crucial role in the lives of countless young people and communities across Scotla...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this debate. It is some time since the Parliament discussed the cashback for communities programme. It is important to start off with Russell Fin...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Today’s debate has been interesting and worth while. This Parliament does not spend enough time debating the justice system or how to tackle the crime that i...
Keith Brown SNP
Given what Sharon Dowey has said about trying to increase the amount of money that is taken in from the proceeds of crime, would she be willing to write, alo...
Sharon Dowey Con
Mr Brown and Ms Clark have been in the justice section for a lot longer than I have, so I would want to see more detail on that. At present, all the moneys f...
Marie McNair SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
I will make some more progress, because I want to get through a lot of contributions from members. Crime gangs have already been emboldened by weaknesses in...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank everyone who has taken part in today’s debate and shared their positive experiences of the cashback for communities programme’s 15 years of benefitin...