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Meeting of the Parliament 08 November 2023

08 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Cashback for Communities

One of the many interesting aspects of our role as MSPs is learning about incentives that bring cash back to our local communities. I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on a subject that I do not usually give voice to in the Parliament, which is how Governments reinvest dirty money that is obtained through organised crime.

I am not the only MSP in the chamber who wants the Scottish Government to get tougher on organised crime. We have already heard from our “Crimewatch” champion, Russell Findlay, who, since his election, has made sure that tackling crime is at the forefront of discussions in the chamber.

The cashback for communities scheme has the potential to do a lot of good for young people across Scotland. The £130 million that has been reinvested as a result of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 is not to be scoffed at, and I know that that money goes directly to young people who are at risk of turning to a life of crime.

Prevention is key when trying to protect young people from a life of crime, and I will always support incentives that are youth led and are targeted in areas where crime rates are higher. It is my understanding that the latest round of funding is for projects that aim to deliver a range of trauma-informed and person-centred services, including those for young people who are more likely to be involved in antisocial behaviour. Given the rise in antisocial behaviour in our town centres and high streets, I am sure that business owners and those who are concerned about such behaviour will be reassured that funding is being used to reduce the problem that many of us experience just now in our communities.

However, money is not just being directed at those types of incentives. The moving forward+ project, which is delivered by the National Autistic Society Scotland’s prospects team, is funded by the cashback for communities scheme. The project supports disadvantaged autistic young people on a path to becoming more engaged and happier citizens, and it reduces the chances of them becoming either the victims or the perpetrators of crime by recognising that each autistic young person has individual needs and aspirations. The project has two routes—one for children aged 10 to 15 who are not engaged with school education, and another for autistic young adults aged 16 to 25 who are not in training, employment or education. The support involves helping individuals to better understand their autism, explore their strengths and develop suitable strategies to help them to become more resilient. It is a wonderful project that benefits so many young people. I have a statistic here: since 2020, the project has supported more than 93 young autistic people.

As I said, the cashback for communities scheme has the potential to do a lot of good, but we should recognise that it is not perfect. I hope that the Government will realise that more can be done to increase the amount of cash that goes back to our communities. Crime should pay, and what better message to send to communities than that the Government backs them? As it stands, the money that has been recovered as a result of the 2002 act does not match the wealth that has been accumulated by criminals in Scotland. For example, as has been pointed out, it was reported in 2022 that £11 million of dirty money had not been paid back—that is £11 million that could be invested directly back into our communities—although I appreciate that that is subject to a review.

The Government must think about how it can recoup as much money as possible from organised crime. As Russell Findlay said, the scheme needs to be audited in order to maximise the amount of money that could be reinstated back into our communities.

Time is tight, so I will conclude. Prevention, which I mentioned earlier, is key, and investment is needed to ensure that effective programmes are rolled out, so I call on the Government to get tougher on crime and to ensure that prevention is at the heart of cashback for communities.

16:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11127, in the name of Siobhian Brown, on cashback for communities. I invite members who wish to participa...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
Many members will already be familiar with the cashback for communities programme and the work that it delivers in their communities. Some may have even visi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are tight for time across the rest of the afternoon, so members who want to speak should press their request-to-speak buttons now. I call Russell Findlay...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
We agree with the Scottish Government motion on cashback for communities, and I hope that the Government finds agreement with our constructive amendment. Dr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
The member makes a very important point. I want to ask a question that I intend to be helpful, although it might be too complicated to answer here and now. W...
Russell Findlay Con
I will attempt to come on to that, but I have a lot to say. Criminals now regard proceeds of crime orders as a form of retrospective taxation—essentially, a...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to follow Russell Findlay, who makes a powerful case for a review, and to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We support the programm...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
The member will be aware of the cross-border nature of much of that crime, including the supply of drugs to Scotland by road and rail from England. Given tha...
Katy Clark Lab
I would be very happy to write to the UK Government with Keith Brown. He clearly has a huge amount of experience to draw upon and I am sure that he is absolu...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak in this debate on the cashback for communities programme. The Scottish Liberal Democrats believe that reducing crime involves a co-ord...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. We are tight for time. I call Christine Grahame, who has up to four minutes. 15:56
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Frequently, we become so accustomed to the innovative policies that the Parliament has introduced that we forget to reflect on—and, in some circumstances, to...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
One of the many interesting aspects of our role as MSPs is learning about incentives that bring cash back to our local communities. I welcome the opportunity...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Scotland has committed to getting it right for every child and to creating an equal society in which every child and young person in Scotland can reach their...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
Cashback for communities has reinvested the proceeds of crime in our communities, thereby supporting more than 1 million young people, including many in Mid ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am an ambassador for Ocean Youth Trust Scotland. I am pleased to speak in the debate b...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I welcome the motion and share its commendation of the cashback for communities programme. Over its 15-year history, it has developed to become more sensitiv...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I thank Siobhian Brown—who is no relation—for bringing the motion to the chamber for debate. I commend the work of cashback for communities, which uses money...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I add my support for the cashback for communities programme and for the Scottish Conservative amendment. I commend the scheme and recognise that, since 2008,...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is right that consensus has been found in the chamber today, in so far as it has been recognised that the cashback for communities programme has been bene...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I need to ask you to conclude.
Carol Mochan Lab
To conclude, I support this reinvestment in our communities. 16:33
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
Over the past 15 years, the cashback for communities programme has played a crucial role in the lives of countless young people and communities across Scotla...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this debate. It is some time since the Parliament discussed the cashback for communities programme. It is important to start off with Russell Fin...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Today’s debate has been interesting and worth while. This Parliament does not spend enough time debating the justice system or how to tackle the crime that i...
Keith Brown SNP
Given what Sharon Dowey has said about trying to increase the amount of money that is taken in from the proceeds of crime, would she be willing to write, alo...
Sharon Dowey Con
Mr Brown and Ms Clark have been in the justice section for a lot longer than I have, so I would want to see more detail on that. At present, all the moneys f...
Marie McNair SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
I will make some more progress, because I want to get through a lot of contributions from members. Crime gangs have already been emboldened by weaknesses in...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank everyone who has taken part in today’s debate and shared their positive experiences of the cashback for communities programme’s 15 years of benefitin...