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Meeting of the Parliament 01 November 2023

01 Nov 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Flooding (Support for Communities)

Last week’s statement on storm Babet gave us all the chance to send our condolences to the families who had lost a loved one and to thank those in our public services who worked so hard to rescue people and support communities.

However, as has been observed in the first two speeches, the floods have had a devastating impact on people’s homes, businesses and farming communities, so we really need to do two things. First, we need to support those who have been affected, because it could be months before people are able to live in their homes again. Secondly, we need to urgently learn lessons from this devastating incident.

My amendment is an add-on amendment. I want it to be constructive and to highlight concerns about the need for action.

Last week, I pointed out that the Brechin scheme was built only seven years ago, and it was designed to deal with a once-in-200-years incident. We urgently need clarity from the cabinet secretary on what work is being done to review existing and planned flood prevention infrastructure. We need to reflect on what worked during storm Babet and, crucially, what did not work. We also need to know what will be done to accelerate flood resilience to support communities, businesses and farmers.

It is disappointing that the Scottish Government wants to delete the recommendation for a multi-agency task force. It is important that we have a collaborative approach and that we also have a regional approach. It will be crucial for the Scottish Government and local authorities to work across boundaries, given the scale of the potential change.

Labour’s amendment highlights that the Scottish Government has failed to report on progress on flood risk management plans, as required by the Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009. We need more political leadership, and we need that progress report. I hope that the cabinet secretary will give us that clarity in her concluding remarks.

We need expertise, and we need people to come together with investment and action now. That means having a partnership approach between the Scottish Government, local councils, businesses and farming stakeholders, and also with the transport sector and environmental campaigners. We need people with experience in the room together.

As the motion rightly states, we are likely to see more frequent and more intense extreme weather events that are fuelled by climate change, such as storms. That could mean forest fires, drought and flooding in urban and rural communities, as well as the impact of sea level rise. Those events could put people’s lives and livelihoods at risk by damaging homes and buildings, vital infrastructure, agricultural land and our natural habitats. They could also cause damage that could put our cultural heritage beyond repair.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-11036, in the name of Maurice Golden, on supporting communities to mitigate flooding impacts and increase...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Storm Babet has left a terrible trail of destruction in its wake, and the north-east of Scotland, Perthshire and Tayside have been hit especially hard. There...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
I am appreciating the contents of Mr Golden’s speech. As part of what he is advocating, does he see there being a role for community resilience groups to be ...
Maurice Golden Con
I whole-heartedly agree with John Swinney, because it is the people on the ground, rather than the council or another agency, who know which properties are m...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I am very grateful to have the opportunity to respond for the Government on this most important issue. Storm Babet was an exceptional weather event for Scot...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Last week, I asked when the Scottish Government would, in the light of storm Babet, carry out a review of existing and planned flood prevention infrastructur...
Màiri McAllan SNP
Sarah Boyack is absolutely right to raise the issue. The process is on-going on a number of fronts, most of all in respect of SEPA’s flood forecasting, which...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I will give way to Mr Swinney.
John Swinney SNP
I would like to follow up on the point that Sarah Boyack raised. I make a plea that in the work that SEPA is undertaking to examine future forecasting levels...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am very happy to give John Swinney a concrete assurance that the storm will not be regarded as an isolated incident. It is never wise to attribute one weat...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am going to make progress, because I am a bit concerned about time, but I will be glad to hear members’ points during the debate. I will use the time that...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the minister give way?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am afraid not; I am keen to make progress. We know that local recovery plans are being drawn up and delivered through vital partnership working. The Scott...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Cabinet secretary, you must conclude.
Màiri McAllan SNP
I have noted that my colleague the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands is engaging with the impact on food producers and has already...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Before I call the next member, I would be grateful if all members who wish to speak in the debate were to press their request-to-speak buttons. I call Sarah...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Last week’s statement on storm Babet gave us all the chance to send our condolences to the families who had lost a loved one and to thank those in our public...
Brian Whittle Con
We know that prolonged water scarcity—particularly before big storms—can have a significant impact on flood conditions, with impacts such as soil compaction....
Sarah Boyack Lab
There has to be a joined-up approach to tackle extreme weather conditions, because what the member described is experienced in other countries as well. He is...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
On Saturday afternoon, I met residents in Auchtermuchty who had been subjected to significant floods. Their houses were dirty and damp, and the smell still p...
John Swinney SNP
Before Mr Rennie reflects on the lessons of this particular weather incident, would he agree with me that part of what we have to understand is the enormous ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I will give Mr Rennie the time back.
Willie Rennie LD
Understanding is important, and I will come to that later, because with understanding comes confidence that we will be safe. We need to have the understandin...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Rennie is making an important point, but will he extend it to the issue of forestry harvesting? Significant removal of trees, which is commonplace in many...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Mr Rennie, you need to wind up.
Willie Rennie LD
I have so much more to say. I absolutely agree with Mr Swinney. Riparian trees are also important, as they hold the river banks together. It is incredibly i...