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Meeting of the Parliament 25 October 2023

25 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Culture Sector

Scottish Labour has brought forward this debate because we recognise and revere the enormous contribution that the arts and culture sector makes to Scotland’s national life. As Professor Jeffrey Sharkey, the principal of the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland, recently put it,

“Artists are the connectors, creators and envoys of Scotland, within our communities and across the world.”

The sector is important to our society and to our economy, too. The creative industry is worth nearly £4.5 billion and it supports 80,000 jobs. The arts and culture sector punches massively above its weight in our economy. Its contribution to brand Scotland and our image around the world cannot be overstated. Our artists, writers, performers, directors, producers, creators and many more who support them should be the pride of Scotland. We owe them a debt of gratitude.

However, the sector is at breaking point after years of underfunding. What has the Scottish Government’s response been to date? At the start of this year, the Scottish Government threatened to cut £6.6 million—equivalent to 10 per cent—from Creative Scotland’s funds in the budget for 2023-24. On 21 February this year, the Scottish National Party did a U-turn, to much fanfare, and cancelled its proposed cut. However, in late September, just seven months later, the cabinet secretary disgracefully did a U-turn on the U-turn and confirmed that the £6.6 million cut was going ahead after all. That was met with a furious response, and no wonder—it was a serious betrayal of trust.

Since then, the cabinet secretary has been unequivocal when he gave me a “gold-plated” assurance on 5 October that the money will be restored next year. People in the sector are now asking what that commitment is worth, when previous promises were broken. I say to the cabinet secretary that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept this year. That is in order for the Government to start to rebuild trust with the sector, avert a looming crisis and prevent job losses and venue closures.

The Government has clearly been feeling the heat on that, thanks to the work of Campaign for the Arts, Culture Counts, the Musicians’ Union, Equity and many others. That pressure is why we had the First Minister’s announcement on arts and culture funding at the SNP conference last week. Earlier today, the cabinet secretary challenged me to welcome that announcement. We do welcome that statement of intent, which is all that it is at this stage, but we welcome it given the parlous state of the sector and on the basis that there is a clear delivery plan. However, we do not welcome broken or baseless promises, and we do not welcome the cut this year, which risks organisations—which have to submit their applications to Creative Scotland today—going to the wall.

Today’s debate is an opportunity for the cabinet secretary to cancel his cut this year, set out details of the announcement and answer a series of questions. I start with the question that he failed to answer earlier. Why is the Government stating that it is doubling the arts and culture budget by £100 million when the existing budget appears to be £175 million?

People in the sector deserve to know what is and is not included. Does the budget include the national performing companies? How will the £100 million be distributed over the next five years? Where is the funding coming from? How much of it will materialise in the coming budget? When will a timeline outlining the decisions on the distribution of funding be published?

I am happy to give way to the cabinet secretary now if he wishes to answer those questions, or perhaps he will answer them when he takes the floor in a moment’s time, because it is essential that the Government provides answers and clarity not just to restore trust but to give certainty.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10917, in the name of Neil Bibby, on supporting Scotland’s culture sector. I invite members who wish to p...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour has brought forward this debate because we recognise and revere the enormous contribution that the arts and culture sector makes to Scotland’...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Neil Bibby Lab
I mean no offence in saying this, Mr Brown, but I would be happy to take an intervention from the cabinet secretary, whom I was requesting details from. Let...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that there is no time in hand and that that will be ruthlessly enforced. I call Angus Robertson, who has up to five minutes. 16:47
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
I apologise to you, Presiding Officer, and to members in the chamber that, exceptionally, owing to the change in parliamentary business timings, I will not b...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Angus Robertson SNP
I will make a bit of progress first, if the member does not mind. We have committed to increasing opportunities for participation and creative pursuits in s...
Craig Hoy Con
Is Mr Robertson aware that the future of the Lammermuir festival in East Lothian is in doubt after Creative Scotland withdrew all funding from the programme ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly.
Craig Hoy Con
Is it not the case that what Scotland’s arts and heritage organisations need—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary.
Craig Hoy Con
—is more funding today and not headline-grabbing promises for tomorrow?
Angus Robertson SNP
If the member had been here for questions on the culture portfolio earlier, he would have heard my answer on the matter. I encourage him to read it in the Of...
Neil Bibby Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Angus Robertson SNP
I have to make some progress, and I have so little time. I am sure that Mr Bibby wants me to answer the questions that he has asked. Due diligence and consi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Alexander Stewart to speak to and move amendment S6M-10917.1. You have up to four minutes, Mr Stewart. 16:53
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to open on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. The motion rightly speaks about the importance of the arts and culture sector and the numero...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Labour Party for bringing this important and timely debate to the chamber. The playwright George Bernard Shaw once said: “Without art,...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased that Scottish Labour has chosen the culture budget cuts as the topic of its Opposition debate. We need to clear up some of the confusion in the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You have very little time.
Angus Robertson SNP
I have just a quick question. Does Pauline McNeill agree that such decisions need to go through the normal budgetary processes—yes or no?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Why do you not give us a yes or no answer on whether that is real money and when we will see some detail? You could have answered my question. You could have...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair, please.
Pauline McNeill Lab
—but you chose not to. I will finish on that point. 17:05
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
The Scottish Government is evidently committed to growing a more sustainable, diverse and impactful culture sector in Scotland. Given that the creative indus...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Several members have now commented that the figure of £100 million appears to have been plucked out of the air. As convener of the Finance and Public Adminis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Sarah Boyack Lab
—that that money should be allocated and budgeted and the timescales revealed?
Kenneth Gibson SNP
I think that that would be set out in the draft budget, as is normal. We are talking about a five-year investment, starting from the spring of 2024, which is...