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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to speak in the debate. Like many of my fellow MSPs across the chamber, I have constituents who have come to me regarding their post-operative experience of transvaginal mesh surgery and of the circus of on-going referral that continues to this day as they seek help.

I know that there are countless women who had the procedure and benefited greatly from it, with their pelvic organ prolapses being cured or their stress urinary incontinence reversed. However, we cannot ignore the voices of the women who have experienced life-changing complications from the procedure and continue to struggle as a result.

When I look at the motion that the Scottish Government has presented to us, I feel a sense of disappointment and perhaps even a shared sense of bewilderment with the women. The motion appears not to recognise that many women are still unable to access the treatment for which they are desperate.

Whether that treatment be in Glasgow, Missouri or Bristol, many women no longer trust the services that are provided by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, albeit at the new ambulatory care hospital in south Glasgow. In fact, at the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee in April, 75 women came to share their experiences of the complex mesh surgical service. Women with long-term negative experiences felt that, rightly or wrongly, those views coloured their views of the current west of Scotland services. In fact, things were so bad that it was said that

“trust in the many medical professionals they have encountered”

was

“all but completely depleted”.

A constituent of mine told me that she has been in constant pain since her operation 17 years ago. The plan that the Scottish Government unveiled in July 2020 gave her hope, but she is living proof that the promise has not been fully honoured. She said:

“I find it impossible to trust the NHS to care for me with mesh issues. A life with mesh is a painful, humiliating, and soul-destroying existence and has already destroyed so much of our lives.”

Today’s Scottish Government motion makes no reference to that continuing pain. That is deeply concerning. We hear time and again that the Scottish Government is listening to the women’s views, but I am afraid that the actions taken do not appear to reflect that. The women deserved to get free specialist treatment after many of them were rebuffed by their health authorities.

Our Conservative Party amendment reflects the unnecessarily complex referral pathway that women must endure and the lengthy waits as they ping between services. Evelyn Tweed commented on how the women were moved from pillar to post. As of April 2023, the median wait for referral to the complex mesh surgical service in Glasgow was 236 days and the longest wait was 448 days. Women then need to wait a significant length of time to start treatment that might alleviate or even remove their symptoms. However, I ask members to remember that that does not even include the time that it takes to get an appointment with their health board first.

Our amendment also acknowledges that, to date, there is no clear pathway for women to be referred to an independent external service, whether that be in England or Missouri, should they not want to go to Glasgow. In 2019, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon promised that she was absolutely committed and determined to do everything possible to get those women the treatment and care that they needed. However, when he was Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care, Humza Yousaf agreed to the principle that the treatment that those women desperately need can be accessed only after approval from the same authorities that were obstructive in the first place.

Neither I nor the women who have contacted me over the years believe that the Scottish Government has done enough to engage with mesh survivors or to help with their heartbreaking plight. The victims must receive the treatment that Mr Yousaf now says that they are entitled to receive for free. Unfortunately, I am not certain that the commercial terms for those external referrals have been arranged on a long-term basis.

The Scottish Conservatives supported the Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Bill, and we have been supportive since the issue was raised in the Scottish Parliament by public petition. However, the Scottish National Party Government must do more to ensure that women who are affected by mesh can access the services that they need.

17:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...