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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress that we have seen on transvaginal mesh. The independent reviews, the creation of the complex mesh surgical service and the reimbursement scheme are all testament to their efforts.

That is one of the reasons why it is so disappointing that many of those women continue to experience so many problems in accessing the medical care that they need. Some have shared publicly their experience in dealing with GPs who still lack basic knowledge and understanding of the complications arising from transvaginal mesh implants. Others have spoken about the long referral times in order to access care and support at the complex mesh surgical service. Women who have been referred to the complex mesh surgical service have also described the lack of a full range of treatment and support options, and women who have had mesh surgically removed have spoken about the lack of aftercare support in relation to their mental health and the trauma that they have endured.

According to Professor Britton, whose initial report on the issue was published back in 2018, the Scottish Government has yet to act on her recommendations. That has been said a number of times in this debate. In her second report, which was published earlier this year, Professor Britton made a series of recommendations to improve the healthcare experience of mesh-injured women. Those recommendations include improving support mechanisms for women who wish to raise concerns with their GP following transvaginal mesh surgery, the creation of a mesh register to keep track of surgeries that have been carried out, and putting patient consent at the heart of healthcare. Labour urges the minister to come forward with recommendations and to deliver. We hope that she is able to give a commitment on that today.

My own office is still receiving new cases from mesh-injured women who are suffering complications and getting in touch. They are currently not getting adequate support from their GP, and they are unaware of the complex mesh surgical service. It is clear that the Scottish Government must do more to support those who are injured and that the issue continues to have an impact on too many lives even after a decade of campaigning by those affected.

The minister will be aware of the work that I have been doing with my constituents Roseanna Clarkin and Lauren McDougall on surgical mesh that is used to treat hernias. Informed consent has been discussed in the debate. Roseanna gave me permission to say that she was told that pig skin, and not the mesh that was used, would be used in her procedure. Such surgical mesh differs from transvaginal mesh, but many people are now suffering from similar complications and life-altering injuries to those that were observed in women who were implanted with transvaginal mesh.

Roseanna and Lauren have a petition before Parliament that calls for an independent review of the use of such mesh and for its use by NHS Scotland to be suspended pending the outcome of that review. I am grateful to the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee for its on-going work on the petition. I know that many of that committee’s members were involved in the initial petitions on transvaginal mesh and recognise the parallels in the experiences of those who have been implanted with surgical mesh to treat hernias.

Despite years of campaigning, Roseanna and Lauren have found the Scottish Government unwilling to engage or failing to take their concerns seriously. The same disregard for the lived experiences of mesh-injured people delayed progress on addressing issues that related to transvaginal mesh. I fear that we are at risk of making the same mistake with surgical mesh that is used to treat hernias.

I therefore very much welcome the fact that the minister recently agreed to meet my constituents and me in the coming weeks to discuss the issue. The need for an urgent independent review could not be clearer, and I hope that the minister will give that further serious consideration.

I previously submitted freedom of information requests to every health board across Scotland in an attempt to establish the scale of the problem with surgical mesh that is used to treat hernias. Many health boards did not hold the requested information or did not respond, but the health boards that did provide information showed the scale of the problem. In NHS Ayrshire and Arran, 8 per cent of patients who were implanted with surgical mesh to treat hernias said that they had complications, and the figure in NHS Lanarkshire was 10 per cent.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...