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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have been failed once and, as it stands, the complex mesh surgical service, or CMSS, which is a service designed to remedy the pain and suffering of those patients, continues to fail some of them.

In its scrutiny of the CMSS, the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee took a variety of evidence. Some reported positive experiences, which is to be welcomed, but others reported barriers to accessing long-term holistic care and support that they feel that they need and should be entitled to expect. Evidence that we heard demonstrates a lack of urgency. Without intervention, the service could exacerbate the trauma of some patients. I am pleased to hear that the minister acknowledges that and to have the opportunity to highlight some of the key issues that the committee heard evidence on.

Uncertainty around referral pathways is rife, with variation between different NHS boards and confusion among medical professionals. If people working in the sector are not clear on how this works, what hope is there for patients? The minister has set out plans to remedy that, including a letter to GPs clarifying the referral pathway. I seek detail on how the Government will ensure that those measures are effective.

Once referred, patients report

“‘living in limbo’ and ‘treading water’ whilst waiting for a mesh complications consultation, ‘pushed from pillar to post’: an ‘endless conveyor belt’ of ‘humiliating tests’ and ‘red tape’ with no one really knowing what to do.”

Patients told us that during that uncertain time it was difficult to contact the CMSS. Poor communication is an on-going theme, with limited information provided to patients. Waiting well initiatives could help, and I eagerly await an update and detail on how the Government will ensure that information is accessible to patients for whom English is not their first language.

On top of years of life-changing symptoms, these patients face difficult decisions and a complicated procedure, which participants described in a study as like

“taking fish bones out of chewing gum.”

It is clear that emotional support is much needed. Demand for proposed peer support groups was limited, but is that surprising when peer support groups put the onus on patients to support each other? That lack of uptake should absolutely not be taken for a lack of need for emotional support. That is very much needed by those women. The minister has acknowledged the struggles of patients who face doubt from medical professionals.

Indeed, academic research has found that patients have felt that the medical community has denied that symptoms were caused by mesh. Some felt treated as if they were hysterical. Some report months—if not years—of trying to be heard. Studies from University College London show that healthcare staff routinely underestimate women’s pain and that not everyone who will have a complication from surgical mesh has started to have symptoms. That issue is on-going, and we have a chance to learn from previous mistakes.

Bias creates shame and taboo around women’s health. That makes it difficult for women to communicate their pain and the issues that they have. When they have finally found the words and the courage to talk about this, they have not been listened to. I seek assurance from the Government that it will tackle the bias that is present in the healthcare system so that we do not fail another wave of patients who are adversely affected by transvaginal mesh or any other healthcare issue.

We must also grant attention to prevention. Many do not know about stress urinary incontinence until they give birth. Open and frank conversations about the importance of pelvic floor strength are required. I am pleased to see that the Government has accepted the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee’s recommendation on that matter.

On-going monitoring of the success of the initiatives and changes that have been made accordingly will be vital. Reducing stigma is an important factor in prevention.

I thank those who shared evidence with us. There can be no doubt that we have failed those patients and that they, quite rightly, expect more.

16:41  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...