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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP.

In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwent transvaginal mesh implant surgery. They were advised to do so in order to treat conditions such as incontinence and prolapse, often as a result of trauma at childbirth. Tragically, some 600 women who underwent implant surgery have suffered painful and life-changing side effects. There have been complications from surgery because of erosion of the mesh inside the body, causing nerve damage, chronic pain and vaginal scarring. There have been cases of organ perforation, with synthetic propylene mesh actually becoming exposed inside the vagina.

In the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, we have heard from women who have had to endure harrowing experiences following mesh surgery: pain, infections, reduced mobility, difficulties with intimacy and psychological strain. Many of those women were simply not believed when they were crying out for help. It was nightmarish. Despite their pleas, those suffering women were forced to wait and wait before remedial intervention was offered. Having lost all confidence in our NHS, those with the means turned to the private sector, including travelling to the United States. They sought out specialists who believed them and had the expertise to correct our health service’s mistakes.

We have come a long way since 2014, when sufferers brought a petition to the Scottish Parliament calling for action: the implant procedure was halted in 2018; in July 2021, the Scottish Government agreed to meet the costs of private treatment to remove transvaginal mesh; and in January 2022, Parliament passed a bill to reimburse women who had already paid for private healthcare. We now also have specialist clinics in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde to support women experiencing complications from mesh implant surgery. There has been cross-party support since Parliament began trying to right the wrongs of failed transvaginal mesh implants and support those who are suffering. However, have we done enough?

In her motion, the Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health, Jenny Minto, highlighted the continuing improvement in the support offered by NHS Scotland and notes that it is well aligned with the recommendations of a major case review of records. The motion also notes the assurance that affected women are able to access the national mesh removal referral pathway and that the Scottish Government is committed to offering women a choice of surgeon. However, are the processes that are in place today robust? Do women still find themselves at the mercy of an absurd, Kafkaesque bureaucracy?

There is still a long way to go to rectify the injustices of Scotland’s implant mesh failures and still further to posit Scotland as an example for others to follow. Waiting times to access specialist surgical services for mesh-injured women are still unacceptably high. The referral pathway is still lengthy and complex, especially when patients seek care outwith the NHS. Complex mesh surgical services are hosted by NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. Despite agreements being in place with private providers, there are real concerns that bureaucratic gatekeepers at the Glasgow service may obstruct the signing off of patients’ preferred plans to seek treatment outwith Scotland. Patients who return from abroad are left with no follow-up.

There is a reason why some patients may want to look elsewhere. Professor Britton’s review found that trust in the complex mesh surgical service was all but completely depleted. The review found evidence that women had been repeatedly misled and told that they had undergone full mesh removal when, in fact, just small amounts of plastic had been surgically excised—with no groin incisions, full removal was impossible.

The Health, Social Care and Sport Committee also found that many women faced long waits for treatment from the NHS service, with one woman saying that she had waited nearly two years between appointments. There is more. GPs cannot refer patients directly to the complex mesh surgical service. Patients have to first see a local urogynaecologist in their local health board before being referred on, which means another layer of bureaucracy, significantly more time waiting and significantly more time in unnecessary pain. That is unacceptable.

We must make it easier for patients to get the help that they deserve. This SNP Government talks the talk but, having not implemented any of Professor Britton’s 46 recommendations or thought about other changes, it does not walk the walk. There has been a complete failure of implementation, despite cross-party support.

The minister must do better and perhaps show some contrition for those women who are suffering.

16:36  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...