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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation.

Women have the option to choose an independent surgeon to remove mesh, but I absolutely understand his point about trust, having heard about that directly. We are focused on finding solutions to rebuild that trust, and that is what we learned from Professor Britton’s report.

The service continually reviews its operations and listens to patients to ensure that it is getting it right. The Glasgow service is part of a United Kingdom-wide network of 10 specialist mesh centres. It will be a key partner in the development of a pelvic floor register, one of Professor Britton’s recommendations to which the Government has committed. Further recommendations address training and information for general practitioners and surgeons, and the Government has already acted on those. A training package that is intended to help GPs to feel more confident in supporting women with mesh complications can now be accessed through the NHS Scotland online learning service. The Government continues to make progress with partners to support the development of a General Medical Council-regulated credential in mesh surgery, and we know that clinicians in Scotland are keen to take part in a pilot stage.

I return to the observations that the review offered about the accuracy of some medical records that it examined. As I said at the outset, the Scottish Government has had no access to any records and no contact with any patients as part of the review. Nevertheless, the chief medical officer has taken careful note of the findings and, with significant concern, he notes observations around consent and record keeping. As a consequence, Professor Sir Gregor Smith has now written to all health boards to draw their attention to the report of the review and to the failings that it identified. It is clearly unacceptable that any medical records in Scotland might, in the words of the review,

“not bear any reflection to the surgery that had occurred, nor its outcomes.”

I am very sorry, on behalf of the Government, that those failings happened.

As the review fairly reports, the failings might not have come to light without it being commissioned. Both the chief medical officer and I have great confidence in the professionalism and dedication of doctors across Scotland, but we also look to all in our NHS to take careful note of the report and to reflect anew on how everyone acts to maintain the highest standards of professional practice.

I conclude by repeating the welcome that I offered earlier of Professor Britton’s report, along with the Government’s thanks. Importantly, I thank the women who were able to share their experiences and be heard.

The report and its recommendations put new and welcome focus on what is already an important agenda for the Government. We want women to feel empowered and encouraged to ask questions, to share concerns and expectations about their care and to be treated at all times with dignity and respect. The NHS should continually reinforce good practice in confirming and recording consent in the treatment that is offered to patients.

I move,

That the Parliament welcomes the report of the independent Transvaginal Mesh Case Record Review; acknowledges the severe and painful complications endured by women after the implantation of transvaginal mesh and regrets that their trauma may have been exacerbated by initial service responses that doubted their lived experiences; notes the continuing improvement in support, informed by the views of affected women, offered by the specialist mesh surgical service at the New Victoria Hospital in Glasgow in particular and NHS Scotland in general, in ways well aligned with the recommendations of Professor Britton’s review; further notes the Chief Medical Officer’s request of NHS boards to sustain good practice in the seeking and recording of patients’ informed consent and to be assured locally that affected women are able to access the national mesh removal referral pathway, and supports the Scottish Government’s continuing commitment to offering women a choice of surgeon, if mesh removal surgery is considered appropriate, and to reimbursing women who had previously arranged qualifying mesh removal surgery privately.

16:01  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...