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Meeting of the Parliament 24 October 2023

24 Oct 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Transvaginal Mesh

The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in this session and previous sessions.

The fact that our Parliament has addressed the issue regularly underlines the seriousness of the harm experienced by women who continue to suffer painful complications after having mesh implanted. I will not be alone in hearing from women who have described how their lives have been blighted personally and professionally by complications after mesh surgery. What is worse, for some of them, their suffering was added to when they felt that their pain was downplayed, dismissed or ignored altogether.

However, members of this Parliament listened to women. They believed them, raised their experiences and pressed their concerns. The Government has listened, too. It is fair to say that, by working with the Parliament and committed professionals in the national health service, enduring improvements have been made to the care that is offered to women affected by mesh.

One of the ways in which the Government sought to respond to affected women was the establishment of the transvaginal mesh case record review. The review was led by Professor Alison Britton with the assistance of an expert panel and conducted entirely independently of the Scottish Government. We had no contact with the participants as part of the review nor sight of any records. The review was established to examine the medical records of women who feared that their treatment had been recorded inaccurately. Women considered that they had been informed that their mesh had been fully removed but subsequently discovered that it had been removed only in part.

I thank Professor Britton for her meticulous work and echo her thanks to the women who shared their experiences and insights. Professor Britton notes that, despite the personal and emotional cost to them, women engaged in the review not only or even mostly for themselves but to make a difference to other women’s quality of life.

The review’s approach was not to seek to establish blame or necessarily to find fault but to allow women an opportunity to discuss and better understand their health records with an expert panel. Forty-seven women who had been involved in a meeting in 2019 with the then First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport were invited to take part. Eighteen women, six of whom had had mesh removal surgery, took up the offer of a report on their records. Each of the women received a bespoke report about their circumstances and their records. Women were offered an opportunity to talk to the panel about their report. Time was allowed for them to talk again after reflecting on the report and their first discussion.

It will be for the individual women involved to judge the benefit of the process to them, but the panel noted that there was a general appreciation of not being rushed and being able to define their journey in their way. From the Government’s perspective, we were grateful to Professor Britton, the panel and their staff for fulfilling their remit so thoroughly and in a way that has respected women’s experiences.

The report is not easy to read and we note with concern the following observation:

“Every patient is entitled to expect and receive accurate information both before any treatment is chosen and to be advised on the effectiveness and consequences of any intervention. Most of the cases that we reviewed did not meet these standards.”

That is a critical point to which I will return.

The review’s remit also sought a wider report, which Professor Britton published in June with 21 recommendations. As was only reasonable, most of the recommendations were about the care that is now available to women affected by mesh. They addressed communication between clinicians and patients and between different parts of the NHS; information and support made available before and after removal surgery; and collaboration across the United Kingdom and the establishment of a register of surgery.

The Government endorses all the recommendations. Moreover, we believe that the NHS in general and the complex mesh surgical service in Glasgow in particular are acting now to make substantial progress towards achieving the objectives that the recommendations pursue, as well as responding to comments from women.

As I noted in my letter of 22 August to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, it is accepted by all that there remains a need for continuing improvement in the Glasgow service. However, at the same time, we know from patient feedback, which is gathered annually, that changes in the service that were made in response to previous feedback are already better matching women’s needs.

The complex mesh surgical service in Glasgow is centred on a published national clinical pathway.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10915, in the name of Jenni Minto, on transvaginal mesh. I invite members who wish to participate in the ...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
The motion to which I speak is on the impact of transvaginal mesh on women’s health, which the Parliament has rightly debated on a number of occasions in thi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. She highlights the important issues that the review has identified, but it is important to understand that this...
Jenni Minto SNP
I believe that the rest of my speech will answer a lot of Daniel Johnson’s questions. The Glasgow mesh service is listening to women and amending the way tha...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I am listening with interest, and I will obviously have an opportunity to say more in my contribution. Does the minister not accept that, for most women at t...
Jenni Minto SNP
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his intervention, and I recognise the fantastic work that he has done in supporting women in this situation. Women have the optio...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
At the outset, I want to recognise the hundreds of mesh-injured women who have fought so hard for so long for their voices to be heard. They have lived with ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the member agree that alignment will happen only once every person who has survived mesh knows what treatment they will get and is satisfied with the ou...
Tess White Con
I strongly support and echo that. Women need to build back trust. The minister talked about building trust, but the fact that not a single one of Professor B...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Mesh campaigners have had to fight for many years for action on their concerns and the reality is that, despite the parallel universe set out by the minister...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
In the seven years for which I have been an MSP, I have spoken on the subject of transvaginal mesh several times, as have many of the speakers in this aftern...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I mean no disrespect to the minister, but Mr Cole-Hamilton mentioned the many debates on the subject in which he has participated, and I note that, in nearly...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
That observation is correct. This debate, like those that preceded it, will be watched far beyond the chamber by the many victims of mesh, who will share Jac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I give a reminder, as we move into the open debate, that we are very tight for time, so we will stick to the allotted speaking times. 16:23
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
This debate on what is a tragic and complicated issue is one of many in which I have taken part, as has Alex Cole-Hamilton, since I was elected in 2016. I w...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a practising NHS GP. In the past two decades, some 20,000 women in Scotland underwe...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, complications relating to the use of vaginal mesh have caused widespread and severe symptoms in thousands of women. Those patients have bee...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to the tireless campaigning of mesh-injured women. It is their campaigning that has been the driving force for much of the progress...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Ms Clark, I ask you to conclude.
Katy Clark Lab
I very much look forward to hearing the minister’s response to my points. 16:48
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in the debate because, as I have previously mentioned in the chamber, I have met several of my constituents who have suffered with the horrors ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Stuart McMillan is right to say that this is not about hindsight. However, the reality is that acknowledging recommendations is not enough. Too many women ar...
Stuart McMillan SNP
I do not disagree at all. I have spoken in similar debates in the past. My comments in those are on the record, so if the member wishes to go and have a look...
Stuart McMillan SNP
Two wee seconds. The contrast was stark. I welcome that change, but it does not take away the mental challenges that those women have had to endure for many...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
Like many others, I pay tribute to the incredible efforts of the mesh survivors in bringing this issue to light in order to secure justice. Their bravery and...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Like many, if not all, members, I have heard from constituents over the years whose lives were devastated as a result of mesh implants. As we know, mesh was ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I have raised questions about vaginal mesh in the chamber before and have written articles in support of the women affected, and I welcome the chance to spea...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
When we have discussed transvaginal mesh in previous debates, I have started by paying tribute to fellow MSPs who have campaigned on the issue. However, I do...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. As always, I extend my gratitude to the campaigners, medical professionals, researchers and cons...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am grateful to the member for taking an intervention. We have debated the Cumberlege report before, which proposed a redress scheme. Can the member shed an...