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Meeting of the Parliament 20 September 2023

20 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Neonatal Services (Lanarkshire)
Mackay, Gillian Green Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

I need to make some progress. I am genuinely sorry.

The report was produced in conjunction with clinicians, and it is worth stating that the recommendations on the new neonatal model of care are underpinned by strong evidence that population outcomes for the most premature and sickest babies are improved, with regard to delivery and care, in units that look after a high number of these babies, as we have heard from other members.

Outcomes for very low birth weight babies are better when they are delivered and treated in neonatal intensive care units with full support services and experienced staff. Therefore, babies who are born at under 27 weeks, who are lighter than 800g or who need complex life support will receive specialist complex care in these units.

It is important to stress that, although that will result in care for the smallest and sickest babies being delivered in a smaller number of specialist centres, no units will close as a result, and University hospital Wishaw will continue to provide excellent care of babies that require treatment in a neonatal unit. Local neonatal units will continue to provide care, and babies will be returned to their local area as soon as they are well enough.

However, that is certainly not to dismiss how distressing it can be for parents whose babies are treated outwith their local area at what will already be a very emotional time. I absolutely recognise the points that were raised by Mark Griffin, among others, about the issues when a baby is in one health board area and the family is in another. We need to ensure that families receive all possible support and that as many of those issues as possible are taken care of.

It is vital that babies receive the best care available, but it is equally vital that we support parents and carers, and I would be grateful if the minister could advise what emotional support is available to families whose babies are being treated outwith their local health board area.

These changes are the result of expert advice and are being made so that the smallest and sickest babies can receive the best neonatal care possible. They are a sign of Scotland’s improving neonatal healthcare, but it is so important that we take people with us and that we continue the dialogue with worried staff, parents and carers who also just want to see the best for their babies.

16:39  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10497, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on protecting specialist neonatal services in Lanarkshire. 15:58
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
According to the Scottish Government, 23 babies required the use of the neonatal unit at University hospital Wishaw last year—that is 23 babies who were born...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
In the 75 years of the national health service, we have never stood still and we have adapted our service to meet the needs of the population. I have had the...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenni Minto SNP
I have a lot to get through, if the member does not mind. The process of determining which units should be providing neonatal intensive care followed an opt...
Graham Simpson Con
Will the minister take an intervention now?
Jenni Minto SNP
I am not going to take any interventions. Like Jackie Baillie, I welcome the opportunity to congratulate Wishaw General’s neonatal multidisciplinary team on...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the minister give way?
Jenni Minto SNP
I am just coming to the close of my speech. In closing, I would like to give my personal commitment, and that of this Government, to continuing to listen, l...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Unusually for such a brief debate, we have a little bit of time in hand, so members who take an intervention should get the time back. However, the intervent...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
What a cold, managerial speech with no empathy for families that was from the minister. I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ in...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I am just about to finish. The SNP is clearly heavy handed and disregards the nuanced needs of families, which causes distress and discontent. There is a lac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:15
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
My daughter Rosa was born on 1 April 2017 at University hospital Wishaw. She was born at 27 weeks gestation, weighing 535g or just one pound and three ounces...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
First, I pay my respects to Mark Griffin’s description of his experience. I also acknowledge that he is the first speaker in the debate who lives in and is a...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Keith Brown SNP
My apologies, but I have only four minutes. I do not know why these debates are so short, but I do not have much time to speak. The units for babies born w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you very much, Mr Brown. It is, of course, up to the members whether they take an intervention. These debates usually seem to allow very little time to...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Scottish Government’s amendment rightly congratulates the team at Wishaw university hospital on being named UK neonatal team of the year 2023. It is a wo...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate maternity services not once but twice today. That shows how important the issue is right across Scotland. I hope that the...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, you might reasonably ask why a member from the islands is talking about neonatal care in Lanarkshire. However, as members from other parts...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Alasdair Allan SNP
I must make progress given the little time that I have. The Scottish Government has taken many significant steps to support expectant and new parents. Tho...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin by expressing my sincere thanks to all those who work in neonatal units across the country and who care for some of the sickest babies born in Scotla...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Does the member agree that the forum should have happened before the decision was taken and that the fact that that did not happen and that they have not bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Gillian Mackay, I can give you the time back.
Gillian Mackay Green
I agree that it is vital to share all information that can be shared ahead of decisions being made to ensure that we bring communities along with us with the...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gillian Mackay Green
I need to make some progress. I am genuinely sorry. The report was produced in conjunction with clinicians, and it is worth stating that the recommendation...