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Meeting of the Parliament 20 September 2023

20 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Neonatal Services (Lanarkshire)

What a cold, managerial speech with no empathy for families that was from the minister.

I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests—I am a practising NHS general practitioner. We are disillusioned with the Scottish Government’s stewardship of our NHS and the indifference shown by successive SNP health secretaries to many well-documented calls by local communities to support critical services.

Here we are yet again: 12,000 people support Lynne McRitchie’s petition to reconsider downgrading University hospital Wishaw’s award-winning neonatal services. The Scottish Government remains unconcerned. I ask the cabinet secretary to look the families in the gallery in the eye and tell them the truth. He does not care about their opinion.

Currently, Scotland has eight intensive care neonatal units. Under the Scottish Government’s centralisation plan to abandon rural communities, that will be reduced to three—Glasgow’s Queen Elizabeth university hospital, Edinburgh royal infirmary and Aberdeen maternity hospital.

Of course, the SNP has form when it comes to forcing mothers and babies to travel vast distances for care. In NHS Highland, women in Caithness and Sutherland have faced round trips of more than 200 miles to access obstetrics and gynaecology services in Inverness. Further along the Moray Firth, Dr Gray’s hospital in Elgin has not had a consultant-led maternity unit since Shona Robison was health secretary. Over the past five years, the majority of Moray mothers have had to face a 90-minute trip east to Aberdeen or an hour’s trip west to Inverness. From Wishaw to the Borders and from Moray to Portree, maternity services across Scotland should be provided with the resources that they need to provide crucial care to newborn babies.

Scotland is so much more than its three biggest cities. More than 4 million people live elsewhere, with around 1 million Scots living in rural and island communities. Services need to be designed, resourced and optimised accordingly. Being wedded to centralisation, apathetic to local needs, will not wash.

The Scottish Government has also ridden roughshod over neonatal patient safety by way of its May 2022 directive to health boards, which limits the use of off-framework agency nurses. I understand the need to restrict the use of agency staff and control costs, but at a time when the Scottish Government has made a mess of workforce planning, and with a soaring 6,000 nursing vacancies, the consequences of coming down hard result in unsafe staffing levels.

The directive came into force on 1 July. What has been the impact? As of 17 September, an off-framework agency—just one—tells me that, due to new controls, it has been unable to place nurses in more than 300 neonatal shifts since 1 July. Managers are openly saying that understaffing will just have to be accepted and that it is on the staff. In total, across general medical and surgical wards over the same period, the agency has been unable to fill more than 7,500 shifts because of the Scottish Government’s directive.

We have neonatal intensive care agency nurses being brought up from London to Scotland to cover shifts. We are told that neonatal staffing levels in several regions are dangerously low. We know of a paediatric cardiac consultant whose cases were cancelled due to staff shortages that could not be backfilled under the new directive.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-10497, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on protecting specialist neonatal services in Lanarkshire. 15:58
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
According to the Scottish Government, 23 babies required the use of the neonatal unit at University hospital Wishaw last year—that is 23 babies who were born...
The Minister for Public Health and Women’s Health (Jenni Minto) SNP
In the 75 years of the national health service, we have never stood still and we have adapted our service to meet the needs of the population. I have had the...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Jenni Minto SNP
I have a lot to get through, if the member does not mind. The process of determining which units should be providing neonatal intensive care followed an opt...
Graham Simpson Con
Will the minister take an intervention now?
Jenni Minto SNP
I am not going to take any interventions. Like Jackie Baillie, I welcome the opportunity to congratulate Wishaw General’s neonatal multidisciplinary team on...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the minister give way?
Jenni Minto SNP
I am just coming to the close of my speech. In closing, I would like to give my personal commitment, and that of this Government, to continuing to listen, l...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Unusually for such a brief debate, we have a little bit of time in hand, so members who take an intervention should get the time back. However, the intervent...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
What a cold, managerial speech with no empathy for families that was from the minister. I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ in...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I am just about to finish. The SNP is clearly heavy handed and disregards the nuanced needs of families, which causes distress and discontent. There is a lac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:15
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
My daughter Rosa was born on 1 April 2017 at University hospital Wishaw. She was born at 27 weeks gestation, weighing 535g or just one pound and three ounces...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
First, I pay my respects to Mark Griffin’s description of his experience. I also acknowledge that he is the first speaker in the debate who lives in and is a...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Keith Brown SNP
My apologies, but I have only four minutes. I do not know why these debates are so short, but I do not have much time to speak. The units for babies born w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you very much, Mr Brown. It is, of course, up to the members whether they take an intervention. These debates usually seem to allow very little time to...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The Scottish Government’s amendment rightly congratulates the team at Wishaw university hospital on being named UK neonatal team of the year 2023. It is a wo...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate maternity services not once but twice today. That shows how important the issue is right across Scotland. I hope that the...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, you might reasonably ask why a member from the islands is talking about neonatal care in Lanarkshire. However, as members from other parts...
Monica Lennon Lab
Will the member give way?
Alasdair Allan SNP
I must make progress given the little time that I have. The Scottish Government has taken many significant steps to support expectant and new parents. Tho...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin by expressing my sincere thanks to all those who work in neonatal units across the country and who care for some of the sickest babies born in Scotla...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Does the member agree that the forum should have happened before the decision was taken and that the fact that that did not happen and that they have not bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Gillian Mackay, I can give you the time back.
Gillian Mackay Green
I agree that it is vital to share all information that can be shared ahead of decisions being made to ensure that we bring communities along with us with the...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Gillian Mackay Green
I need to make some progress. I am genuinely sorry. The report was produced in conjunction with clinicians, and it is worth stating that the recommendation...