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Meeting of the Parliament 14 September 2023

14 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Single-use Vapes (Environmental Impact)

As others have done, I take the opportunity to thank Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is a really important issue, as members have mentioned.

As we have heard today, there is willingness across the chamber to make progress on a response to the issue, with purpose. I therefore hope that the Government will outline soon how it will do that, and that it will consider using some Government time for a debate on the matter so that we can have a more in-depth discussion.

It is right that we talk of the serious environmental impacts of single-use vapes. They have created a throwaway culture, which, as we have heard, is damaging our environment and our efforts to tackle the climate emergency.

I will not restate all the effects that members have put across so well so far today, as I know that time is marching towards the start of the chamber’s afternoon sitting. I will, however, use a small amount of the time that we have to talk about something that has been mentioned, including in the motion; the concerningly high rate of use among our young people. Sheila Duffy of ASH Scotland has said that single-use vapes are

“creating addiction among young people, including very young children in primary and lower secondary schools, where we haven’t seen much of an issue with tobacco.”

That is a really concerning statement.

The content of vapes is such that they are becoming addictive for people of an age at which tobacco addiction is generally unheard of. That has been exacerbated by the facts that the products are easy to access, are bright, colourful and catch the eye—as we have heard from other members—and, compared with similar products, can be cheap. That brings together the health and environmental impacts of single-use vapes.

I have been trying to ascertain the number of people presenting to hospital addiction services or other health services with complications that are linked to vaping. It has become very apparent that there might need to be some discussion between Government and the health boards to consider having a separate logging option for health concerns or complications relating to vapes, because it is really difficult to find out what the figures for that are. It would be useful for us to separate smoking from vapes, as other members have mentioned.

I know that we are tight for time, so I will conclude. It has been a very worthwhile debate, and there have been many reasonable suggestions from members of the various parties across the chamber. It is clear that we need to deal with the environmental impact. I look forward to the minister's contribution. I understand that we are having an environment debate and that she has responsibility for the environmental impacts. However—to pick up on Stephanie Callaghan’s point—I would like to know what the Government will do now and how we can work across the UK, because some commitments have been made by the UK Government. Will the minister work on a cross-portfolio basis to see whether there is something that we can do about recording the damage from and impacts of vaping and e-cigarettes, particularly in respect of single-use vapes?

13:38  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-10284, in the name of Gillian Mackay, on the environmental impact of single-use vapes. ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I recognise the strength of feeling on the issue in the Parliament and I thank everyone who will contribute today. The fact that we are so tight on time is h...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this important debate, and I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for bringing it to the chamber. The motion for the debate and Gillian Mackay’s openi...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate. I congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and acknowledge her work in this area. Many members here in t...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin as other members have by congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing this members’ business debate on the environmental impacts of single-use vapes and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Villalba.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Okay. Twenty-six councils now support a ban, along with a range of organisations, so—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I must ask you to stop, Ms Villalba. I indicated at the beginning of the debate that I would rigorously enforce the time limits to give everyone a chance to ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing debating time on this vital matter. Just after the debate began, I received an answer to a written question ...
Gillian Mackay Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Kenneth Gibson SNP
Sadly, I will not. I would love to but, unfortunately, I have only four minutes. Given that it is estimated that 76,000 under-18s in Scotland vape and that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Gibson.
Kenneth Gibson SNP
—to re-establish ourselves as a leading public health nation. I support the motion. 13:10
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I join members in thanking Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is an issue that I have spoken about before, and it is one of real conce...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Gillian Mackay for securing the debate, and I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions, which have covered many aspects of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am conscious that a large number of members still wish to participate in the debate. I am minded to accept a motion without notice under rule 8.14.3 to ext...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
With the discipline that members have shown in speaking, I should be able to protect the four minutes of the remaining members. I call Colin Smyth for up to ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Gillian Mackay for introducing her motion. The great vape debate is often, “Are e-cigarettes saving smokers or creating new addicts?” The reality i...
Gillian Mackay Green
The paediatrician who we heard from at the round table on Monday raised the concern that we are trading two health-harming products off against each other, r...
Colin Smyth Lab
I absolutely accept that and, as we have heard from a number of members, it is also important to note that we face a growing avalanche of children and young ...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, thank you for doing your absolute best to make sure that we all get to make a contribution today. I also thank Gillian Mackay for bringing...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I join others in thanking Gillian Mackay for her leadership on the issue inside and outside of Parliament. She has worked with tireless campaigners such as L...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Gillian Mackay on securing what is obviously a hugely important debate, given the number of MSPs who are speaking in it. I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Harper.
Emma Harper SNP
I am on my last sentence, Presiding Officer. I was just going to thank Gillian Mackay again.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Carol Mochan is the last speaker in the open debate. You have up to four minutes, Ms Mochan. 13:34
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As others have done, I take the opportunity to thank Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is a really important issue, as members have m...
The Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity (Lorna Slater) Green
I join my fellow members in congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and in thanking her for her on-going campaigning on the issue. In the contr...
Brian Whittle Con
It occurs to me that, if we get to where we want to be with a ban, we will have a problem with children who are already addicted to nicotine. What can we do,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.