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Meeting of the Parliament 14 September 2023

14 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Single-use Vapes (Environmental Impact)

I, too, congratulate my colleague Gillian Mackay on securing what is obviously a hugely important debate, given the number of MSPs who are speaking in it.

I also thank Asthma + Lung UK Scotland, the British Lung Foundation and ASH Scotland for their engagement and very helpful briefings ahead of the debate.

I also need to give a shout out to a couple of people in the youth work department of Dumfries and Galloway Council—Kelly Ross and Mark Molloy. We have met and are starting to work together to highlight and tackle vaping among our young people across Dumfries and Galloway.

As co-convener of the cross-party group on lung health and a registered nurse, I am really interested in the impact of vaping on lung health, especially in the light of the very serious health concerns that medical experts have expressed, but I am also interested in the issue that is raised in Gillian Mackay’s motion—the environmental impact of single-use vapes and the safety of the devices.

I know that we are a bit challenged for time today, so I will just pick up on a couple of points. The materials that are used in disposable vapes make them a potential hazard to humans, wildlife and the environment when they are thrown away, and the lithium that is used for the batteries is a precious metal of which we are already facing a global shortage. In the past year in the UK, more than 10 tonnes of lithium has been thrown out with disposable vapes—enough to make batteries for 1,200 electric cars. If we are to address the climate emergency and enable a green transition, we need to make the best use of scarce materials such as lithium. If disposable vapes were rechargeable, for example, they could be reused up to 300 times, which would drastically reduce the number of vapes that end up in landfill every day.

Vaping can reduce lung function, due to gas-exchange disturbance and inflammation of tissue. In my career as a nurse in the operating room, I have worked laparoscopically on people’s lungs, and I have seen directly the lung damage that is caused by cigarette smoking. We are, however, now starting to see e-cigarette or vaping-associated lung injury—or EVALI. A public health investigation in Illinois and Wisconsin in the United States found that the median age of patients suffering from EVALI was 21—21 years old, Presiding Officer. Despite what the industry might say, nicotine has a detrimental health effect, adolescents are more vulnerable to nicotine dependency than adults are and chronic nicotine exposure can impact on brain development.

At Gillian Mackay’s round-table event on Monday, we heard from Dr Jonathan Coutts, who also presented at a lung health cross-party group meeting that my colleague Alexander Stewart and I attended a few months ago. He presented the facts on the harm that vaping does to young people’s brains. We know that it has an impact on brain development; it can contribute to cognitive and attention-deficit conditions and worsen mood disorders, including depression and suicidal thoughts.

It is a huge issue and it is clear that something needs to be done. For example, one of the statistics that I found is that using one vape is like smoking 52 cigarettes, so clearly we need to be concerned about the matter.

I would like to know from the minister whether the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 will need to be considered if we are proposing changes to regulation, and I would be interested to find out whether there will need to be some kind of exclusion from that act to allow regulations to be taken forward.

In closing—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-10284, in the name of Gillian Mackay, on the environmental impact of single-use vapes. ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I recognise the strength of feeling on the issue in the Parliament and I thank everyone who will contribute today. The fact that we are so tight on time is h...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this important debate, and I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for bringing it to the chamber. The motion for the debate and Gillian Mackay’s openi...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate. I congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and acknowledge her work in this area. Many members here in t...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin as other members have by congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing this members’ business debate on the environmental impacts of single-use vapes and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Villalba.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Okay. Twenty-six councils now support a ban, along with a range of organisations, so—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I must ask you to stop, Ms Villalba. I indicated at the beginning of the debate that I would rigorously enforce the time limits to give everyone a chance to ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing debating time on this vital matter. Just after the debate began, I received an answer to a written question ...
Gillian Mackay Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Kenneth Gibson SNP
Sadly, I will not. I would love to but, unfortunately, I have only four minutes. Given that it is estimated that 76,000 under-18s in Scotland vape and that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Gibson.
Kenneth Gibson SNP
—to re-establish ourselves as a leading public health nation. I support the motion. 13:10
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I join members in thanking Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is an issue that I have spoken about before, and it is one of real conce...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Gillian Mackay for securing the debate, and I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions, which have covered many aspects of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am conscious that a large number of members still wish to participate in the debate. I am minded to accept a motion without notice under rule 8.14.3 to ext...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
With the discipline that members have shown in speaking, I should be able to protect the four minutes of the remaining members. I call Colin Smyth for up to ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Gillian Mackay for introducing her motion. The great vape debate is often, “Are e-cigarettes saving smokers or creating new addicts?” The reality i...
Gillian Mackay Green
The paediatrician who we heard from at the round table on Monday raised the concern that we are trading two health-harming products off against each other, r...
Colin Smyth Lab
I absolutely accept that and, as we have heard from a number of members, it is also important to note that we face a growing avalanche of children and young ...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, thank you for doing your absolute best to make sure that we all get to make a contribution today. I also thank Gillian Mackay for bringing...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I join others in thanking Gillian Mackay for her leadership on the issue inside and outside of Parliament. She has worked with tireless campaigners such as L...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Gillian Mackay on securing what is obviously a hugely important debate, given the number of MSPs who are speaking in it. I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Harper.
Emma Harper SNP
I am on my last sentence, Presiding Officer. I was just going to thank Gillian Mackay again.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Carol Mochan is the last speaker in the open debate. You have up to four minutes, Ms Mochan. 13:34
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As others have done, I take the opportunity to thank Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is a really important issue, as members have m...
The Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity (Lorna Slater) Green
I join my fellow members in congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and in thanking her for her on-going campaigning on the issue. In the contr...
Brian Whittle Con
It occurs to me that, if we get to where we want to be with a ban, we will have a problem with children who are already addicted to nicotine. What can we do,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.