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Meeting of the Parliament 14 September 2023

14 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Single-use Vapes (Environmental Impact)
Adamson, Clare SNP Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank Gillian Mackay for securing the debate, and I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions, which have covered many aspects of the issue.

I chair the cross-party group on accident prevention and safety awareness; I will try to limit myself to the work that we have done on those areas and I will highlight areas that have not been mentioned.

The Child Accident Prevention Trust has recently issued a warning about the fact that hospitals are reporting growing numbers of children accidentally swallowing liquid nicotine from e-cigarette refills and disposables. There is a risk of poisoning from swallowing e-cigarette liquid; the symptoms are usually mild and include nausea and vomiting, but serious poisoning can happen after swallowing larger amounts. As with medicines or cleaning products, e-cigarettes should be kept away from children and toddlers. Although no deaths have been reported in the UK, a two-year-old girl from Israel was fatally poisoned from swallowing an e-cigarette refill, which reminds us to keep nicotine products of all kinds away from children and toddlers. As Katrina Phillips from CAPT has said,

“Babies put everything in their mouths – it’s how they explore the world around them. Toddlers are intensely curious – if you leave your bag on the floor, they’ll be in there like a shot. So remember to keep harmful things like e-cigarette refills where small children can’t find them.”

That is the tip of the iceberg. As we know, disposable vapes and refillables contain lithium iron batteries. The cross-party group has returned to that issue many times because of the danger of ingestion of lithium iron batteries for babies and toddlers. Yet, we are discarding those batteries into our environment where, as Gillian Mackay has said, they can easily be picked up—these things break up when they are disposed of, so you get the plastics and the broken bits of copper, which is both an environmental issue and a serious issue for children.

The cross-party group also worked closely with the Society of Chief Officers of Trading Standards in Scotland, which has talked about the complexity of the regulatory landscape with regard to those products. The products that are bought online often do not come from reputable production sources—I use the word “reputable” ironically, because I do not think that any of them are particularly reputable. SCOTSS has identified that products that come from the internet and are delivered directly to homes contain more nicotine than is recommended under the European Union and British standards as well as more complex chemicals, which have not been tested for human use, and in greater volumes. They are poorly designed products that are more likely to lead to the other issue that has been of concern to the cross-party group, namely zombie batteries, which have already been mentioned.

Thermal runaway can happen in any lithium battery. If people want to know how important that issue is, they should consider that people who go through an airport to go on holiday are asked whether they have any lithium iron battery products in their luggage—that is because it is too dangerous for them to go in the hold in case a thermal runaway happens during a flight. Yet, we are discarding these products in the volumes that Alexander Stewart mentioned when he quoted the report, which I was going to use, too.

There is complete consensus that we have to do something about the issue. I welcome the Scottish Government’s consulting on the ban of disposable vapes and I hope that it can lead to greater regulation of the product throughout the UK.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-10284, in the name of Gillian Mackay, on the environmental impact of single-use vapes. ...
Gillian Mackay (Central Scotland) (Green) Green
I recognise the strength of feeling on the issue in the Parliament and I thank everyone who will contribute today. The fact that we are so tight on time is h...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this important debate, and I thank my colleague Gillian Mackay for bringing it to the chamber. The motion for the debate and Gillian Mackay’s openi...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to the debate. I congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and acknowledge her work in this area. Many members here in t...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin as other members have by congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing this members’ business debate on the environmental impacts of single-use vapes and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Villalba.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Okay. Twenty-six councils now support a ban, along with a range of organisations, so—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I must ask you to stop, Ms Villalba. I indicated at the beginning of the debate that I would rigorously enforce the time limits to give everyone a chance to ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Gillian Mackay on securing debating time on this vital matter. Just after the debate began, I received an answer to a written question ...
Gillian Mackay Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Kenneth Gibson SNP
Sadly, I will not. I would love to but, unfortunately, I have only four minutes. Given that it is estimated that 76,000 under-18s in Scotland vape and that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Mr Gibson.
Kenneth Gibson SNP
—to re-establish ourselves as a leading public health nation. I support the motion. 13:10
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I join members in thanking Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is an issue that I have spoken about before, and it is one of real conce...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Gillian Mackay for securing the debate, and I thank members from across the chamber for their contributions, which have covered many aspects of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I am conscious that a large number of members still wish to participate in the debate. I am minded to accept a motion without notice under rule 8.14.3 to ext...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
With the discipline that members have shown in speaking, I should be able to protect the four minutes of the remaining members. I call Colin Smyth for up to ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Gillian Mackay for introducing her motion. The great vape debate is often, “Are e-cigarettes saving smokers or creating new addicts?” The reality i...
Gillian Mackay Green
The paediatrician who we heard from at the round table on Monday raised the concern that we are trading two health-harming products off against each other, r...
Colin Smyth Lab
I absolutely accept that and, as we have heard from a number of members, it is also important to note that we face a growing avalanche of children and young ...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Presiding Officer, thank you for doing your absolute best to make sure that we all get to make a contribution today. I also thank Gillian Mackay for bringing...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I join others in thanking Gillian Mackay for her leadership on the issue inside and outside of Parliament. She has worked with tireless campaigners such as L...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate my colleague Gillian Mackay on securing what is obviously a hugely important debate, given the number of MSPs who are speaking in it. I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, Ms Harper.
Emma Harper SNP
I am on my last sentence, Presiding Officer. I was just going to thank Gillian Mackay again.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Carol Mochan is the last speaker in the open debate. You have up to four minutes, Ms Mochan. 13:34
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As others have done, I take the opportunity to thank Gillian Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is a really important issue, as members have m...
The Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity (Lorna Slater) Green
I join my fellow members in congratulating Gillian Mackay on securing the debate and in thanking her for her on-going campaigning on the issue. In the contr...
Brian Whittle Con
It occurs to me that, if we get to where we want to be with a ban, we will have a problem with children who are already addicted to nicotine. What can we do,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back.