Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 07 September 2023
07 Sep 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete
If ministers were really across this problem, would Parliament and the public not have been told sooner that at least 40 schools and an untold number of hospitals contain this potentially lethal concrete? Ministers were nowhere near even understanding the issue, and no money was put aside. Instead, Liberal Democrats, not the Government, were the first to lay bare the scale of the problem. Indeed, the trigger for schools closing in England was a concrete beam failing at a school in Dunblane—a beam that was rated as safe but failed.
The Scottish education secretary said on “Channel 4 News” last night that this was an “isolated incident”. Does the cabinet secretary agree with her colleague? If so, how can she be sure that such an incident will not happen again, especially when we still do not know where this stuff is or how it has been used?
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing)
SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville)
SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
The cabinet secretary will now take questions on the issues raised in her statement. I intend to allow around 20 minutes for questions, after which we will m...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con)
Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for advance sight of her statement. It is clear that, for more than 40 years, the use of RAAC will have been widespread in cons...
Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
I thought that I had made it clear that our approach remains absolute reliance on expert advice from the Institution of Structural Engineers. That is importa...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for advance sight of her statement. Earlier today, the First Minister said that the Government has known about the issue for ye...
Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
I am not quite sure that Pam Duncan-Glancy was listening to what was on the first couple of pages of my statement, which went through the work that has been ...
Evelyn Tweed (Stirling) (SNP)
SNP
I thank the cabinet secretary for the update on measures that the Scottish Government has taken since getting the guidance from the Institution of Structural...
Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con)
Con
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD)
LD
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
Green
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville
SNP
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