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Meeting of the Parliament 21 June 2023

21 Jun 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

The whole purpose of section 1 of the bill is to ensure that the court has the best possible information available to it. Notwithstanding that prosecutors are busy—as are judges, criminal justice social workers and victim support organisations—we are well within our rights to be crystal clear on the role of the prosecutor in providing vital victim information where it exists.

I put another scenario to Mr Greene. Although I am sure that it is not his intention, my worry is that amendment 19 might have unintended consequences and carry an increased risk of harm if a complainer were to make representations at court in person. It might increase the risk to their safety or that of their being coerced into making representations to help to secure an accused person’s release on bail.

Therefore although I accept that amendment 19 is well intentioned, it is not one that the Government can support.

Amendment 20 from Jamie Greene would place a mandatory requirement on the prosecutor to always include information on the safety of the complainer or other persons in their bail submission. Where such information is relevant to the question of bail, the prosecutor will of course provide such information. However, to require it in every case—even when, for example, there is no complainer or where there is no question of complainer safety being an issue, such as may be the case in a shoplifting case—is a step too far.

In addition, amendment 20 would require the prosecutor to include information on complainer safety obtained from a victim advocacy or a victim support group. Again, I understand the intent, but if there is no complainer, or if the complainer has no wish to engage with such a group, the prosecutor would still require to include such information, even where clearly it is not relevant or where it is not available from the victim group.

It is for the independent prosecutor, who acts in the public interest, to ensure that relevant information is presented to the court in relation to complainer safety, and amendment 15 strengthens the law appropriately in that regard.

There are also some technical issues with amendments 19 and 20. For example, there is no definition of a “victim support or advocacy group,” which is referred to in amendment 20. Given that the amendment imposes a new duty on the Crown in connection with court decisions on bail, it is important that there is legal certainty.

On that basis, I ask members to oppose amendments 19 and 20.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Group 1 is on “Decisions on bail: relevant information”. Amendment 67, in the name of Pauline McNeill, is grouped with amendments 15, 16, 68, 19, 20 and 21.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The focus of the bill is to limit custody to those who pose a risk to public safety or to when it is necessary to prevent significant risk of prejudice. Ther...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Before I speak to my amendments in this group, I would like to thank the victim support organisations and others who have worked tirelessly to ensure that th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Katy Clark to speak to amendment 68 and other amendments in the group.
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Amendment 68 focuses on the resources that local authorities need to provide justice social work. It requires the Scottish Government to report on the operat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jamie Greene to speak to amendment 19 and other amendments in the group.
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I put on the record my and my party’s thanks to all those organisations that have worked with committee members and others during the passage of the bill. T...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I will speak to all the amendments in the group. Amendment 67, from Pauline McNeill, seeks to remove the mandatory requirement for the court to provide an o...
Jamie Greene Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for explaining the Government’s position. However, I pose the scenario of a busy custody court. I do not understand ho...
Angela Constance SNP
The whole purpose of section 1 of the bill is to ensure that the court has the best possible information available to it. Notwithstanding that prosecutors ar...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree with the cabinet secretary that the principle of providing the maximum amount of information to the court is very important, but I do not think that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 67 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the day, I will suspend the meeting for around five minutes to allow members to access the digital...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now restart proceedings, and we will proceed with the division on amendment 67. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is now closed.
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect, but I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Whittle; that will be recorded.
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect but would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Bibby; your vote will be recorded. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (Lothi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The result of the division is: For 46, Against 66, Abstentions 0. Amendment 67 disagreed to. Amendment 15 moved—Maggie Chapman—and agreed to. Amendment 16...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 16 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division. The vote is now closed.
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My device would not work. I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Dey. Your vote will be recorded.
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app did not work. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Hamilton. Your vote will be recorded. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Moth...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The result of the division is: For 67, Against 47, Abstentions 0. Amendment 16 agreed to. After section 1
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call amendment 68, in the name of Katy Clark, which has already been debated with amendment 67. I invite Katy Clark to move or not move the amendment.
Katy Clark Lab
I move amendment 68, which has the support of organisations such as the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. The provision of justice social work and th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Clark. We do not need that; we just need the moving of the amendment. The question is, that amendment 68 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members...