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Meeting of the Parliament 21 June 2023

21 Jun 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

The focus of the bill is to limit custody to those who pose a risk to public safety or to when it is necessary to prevent significant risk of prejudice. There are clearly benefits to reducing the damaging effects of short-term detention. Section 1 requires the court to give criminal justice social work the opportunity to provide information to the court when making decisions about bail.

Under the current language in the bill, that opportunity is mandatory. Although I think that the intention is good, I raised concerns at stage 2 about the inconsistencies in the provision of justice social work in courts across the country. In Glasgow, we are well served, but other parts of Scotland are not. Therefore, the opportunity will not be equal across the country.

Amendment 67 would replace the requirement that the court “must” request information from justice social work, and it would make that discretionary by inserting that the court “may” request that information. In a written submission to the Government, the Senators of the College of Justice stated:

“there will be many occasions on which such input is plainly irrelevant and the imposition of a statutory requirement to seek a report in such circumstances would seem inappropriate. For example, if an accused person is charged with a serious offence of violence and has a significant record of similar offending there is, on the face of it, very little prospect of that person being granted bail. In such cases it is difficult to see any purpose in requiring the court to seek a report with the attendant delay and demands upon the resources of the social work department.”

David Fraser of the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service also noted that, if justice social work reports were required in every case, that would create the potential for reports not being available when they were required in court.

I would like the Parliament to note that, in my exchange with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs at stage 2, she clearly and helpfully set out that there is no intention behind the provision to delay any proceedings of the court in that manner, although some people had thought that that was the case. It just seems to me that it would make more sense to say that there “may” be an opportunity, rather than that there “must” be one, because the opportunity does not have to be taken up in every single case.

My amendment 67 would remove the statutory requirement to seek a report and, instead, allow the court a degree of discretion, depending on the context of the case and the history of the alleged offender.

I move amendment 67.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Group 1 is on “Decisions on bail: relevant information”. Amendment 67, in the name of Pauline McNeill, is grouped with amendments 15, 16, 68, 19, 20 and 21.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The focus of the bill is to limit custody to those who pose a risk to public safety or to when it is necessary to prevent significant risk of prejudice. Ther...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Before I speak to my amendments in this group, I would like to thank the victim support organisations and others who have worked tirelessly to ensure that th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Katy Clark to speak to amendment 68 and other amendments in the group.
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Amendment 68 focuses on the resources that local authorities need to provide justice social work. It requires the Scottish Government to report on the operat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jamie Greene to speak to amendment 19 and other amendments in the group.
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I put on the record my and my party’s thanks to all those organisations that have worked with committee members and others during the passage of the bill. T...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I will speak to all the amendments in the group. Amendment 67, from Pauline McNeill, seeks to remove the mandatory requirement for the court to provide an o...
Jamie Greene Con
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for explaining the Government’s position. However, I pose the scenario of a busy custody court. I do not understand ho...
Angela Constance SNP
The whole purpose of section 1 of the bill is to ensure that the court has the best possible information available to it. Notwithstanding that prosecutors ar...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree with the cabinet secretary that the principle of providing the maximum amount of information to the court is very important, but I do not think that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 67 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the day, I will suspend the meeting for around five minutes to allow members to access the digital...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We will now restart proceedings, and we will proceed with the division on amendment 67. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is now closed.
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app would not connect, but I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Whittle; that will be recorded.
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect but would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Bibby; your vote will be recorded. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (Lothi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The result of the division is: For 46, Against 66, Abstentions 0. Amendment 67 disagreed to. Amendment 15 moved—Maggie Chapman—and agreed to. Amendment 16...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 16 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division. The vote is now closed.
The Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My device would not work. I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Dey. Your vote will be recorded.
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app did not work. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Hamilton. Your vote will be recorded. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Moth...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The result of the division is: For 67, Against 47, Abstentions 0. Amendment 16 agreed to. After section 1
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call amendment 68, in the name of Katy Clark, which has already been debated with amendment 67. I invite Katy Clark to move or not move the amendment.
Katy Clark Lab
I move amendment 68, which has the support of organisations such as the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. The provision of justice social work and th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Ms Clark. We do not need that; we just need the moving of the amendment. The question is, that amendment 68 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members...