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Meeting of the Parliament 08 June 2023

08 Jun 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
New Vessels for the Clyde and the Hebrides (Report)
Hoy, Craig Con South Scotland Watch on SPTV

I said, “in the history of the Scottish Parliament.” The member might not have realised that, in the case that he has raised, the blank cheque was written before the building of this Parliament. On that basis, there is no point there.

The Government wrote the biggest blank cheque in the history of the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament, and the people are now paying the price.

This is a story of an SNP Government failing to respond time and time again openly and transparently to legitimate questions. Regrettably, this is also a story of SNP members of the Public Audit Committee blatantly seeking to undermine the report in a cynical bid to get their ministers off the hook. All the while, it is Scotland’s island communities who are paying the price.

I turn to Audit Scotland’s original report of March 2022, which made it clear that Scottish ministers approved the contract award to Ferguson Marine Engineering Limited in October 2015. They did so despite knowing the significant risks caused by FMEL’s inability to provide mandatory refund guarantees and despite the severe misgivings of CMAL.

The impartial Auditor General for Scotland said that

“There is insufficient ... evidence to explain why Scottish ministers”

made that decision. The worst part of all of that is that no minister has come to Parliament to take responsibility for the tragic comedy of errors that has unfolded.

Let us look at some of the evidence that we took and some of the key conclusions of the report: Jim McColl told us that the ferries being built at Ferguson’s are “obsolete” and will spew out “poisonous gases”; Morag McNeill, who is the interim chair of CMAL, told us that the preferred bidder announcement risked the entire procurement process. She said:

“Our preference was for that to be done on a confidential basis and for there not to be a public announcement.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 30 June 2022; c 12.]

Derek Mackay, who is the former transport minister, admitted that there had been a “catastrophic failure” at the shipyard.

Colleagues will know that the report was not agreed with the unanimous support of the committee. That is regrettable. Perpetually and in public—and sometimes petulantly in private—SNP committee members chose to dismiss the evidence, which was clear and overwhelming. A close examination of the report reveals some of the core conclusions that Mr Beattie and Mr Coffey sought to delete or dilute. For example, Richard Leonard proposed that additional wording be added to refer to the

“poor judgement”

that had been shown by Derek Mackay and

“to reflect that the integrity of the procurement process had been compromised.”

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-09327, in the name of Richard Leonard, on the Public Audit Committee report “New vessels for the Clyde an...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I begin by reminding members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, and by thanking the clerks and staff for their tireless work on the productio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Leonard. I remind all members who wish to speak in the debate to ensure that they have, in fact, pressed their request-to-speak button. I also ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy (Neil Gray) SNP
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. First, I would like to put on record my thanks to the previous Minister for Transport, Kevin Stewart, who was due to...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I have a couple of questions for the cabinet secretary. First, when are we going to find out the Government’s view on project Neptune and what the future arr...
Neil Gray SNP
On project Neptune, that work is on-going, as Graham Simpson will know. On the other elements of the report, we have responded to it, and I will come to that...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Can I ask whether, before the Government nationalised the shipbuilding yard, any work was done to look at how much it would cost to maintain the original Fer...
Neil Gray SNP
Obviously, challenges emerged as the work went on. Due diligence was done in terms of the nationalisation, and, of course, circumstances change, as Brian Whi...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will make some progress before I come back to Mr Halcro Johnston. I will provide more detail on the work at Ferguson’s later in my contribution, but I wan...
Neil Gray SNP
I am sorry, but I need to conclude—Interruption. I am coming to a conclusion, although I will obviously be available in my closing statement. I thank the Pu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Craig Hoy to open on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives for a reasonably generous seven minutes. 15:16
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the clerks and staff of the Scottish Parliament’s Public Audit Committee for their support in compiling the detailed report, which documents a shocki...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Surely, the biggest blank cheque was the building of this Parliament, when the Scottish National Party was not in power.
Craig Hoy Con
I said, “in the history of the Scottish Parliament.” The member might not have realised that, in the case that he has raised, the blank cheque was written be...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I thank you for taking my point of order without any notice. I am concerned that Mr Hoy appears to be putting on reco...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I thank Clare Haughey for her point of order. I wondered about that myself, but it is not entirely clear to me what the facts are and whether Mr Hoy is refer...
Craig Hoy Con
I am referring to the appendix of the report that has the breakdown of the divisions that took place at each point. Each motion that was put before the commi...
Craig Hoy Con
That is a good question. Where is Mr Brown? Also, where is the former Deputy First Minister and the former First Minister? They are not here. Instead, the SN...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Haughey, we do not need the sedentary chit-chat. That applies also to Mr Simpson.
Craig Hoy Con
Let us look at Mr Brown’s shocking attempt to dodge scrutiny. The committee’s draft report concluded: “The lack of co-operation we experienced from the form...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Will Craig Hoy give way?
Craig Hoy Con
I do not have time. In the end, thankfully, their attempts to divert, dilute, distract and delete legitimate criticism of the Government did not succeed, an...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. I wish my colleague Alex Rowley a speedy recovery from his recent plan...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I apologise, Deputy Presiding Officer, because, as agreed, I will be unable to remain in the chamber for the conclusion of this debate, as I need to attend a...
Neil Gray SNP
Will the member give way?
Willie Rennie LD
Let me conclude this point. In the wake of that, he thought that it was time to claim credit for that decision, making a virtue out of it while taxpayers pi...
Neil Gray SNP
I am glad that Willie Rennie provided the additional context for my decision. I proceeded with written authority over a narrow value-for-money assessment, wh...
Willie Rennie LD
Who created that context? It was this Government that made a series of terrible decisions over many years, many of which were outlined by Richard Leonard in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. I advise members that, at present, we have some time in hand, so that can be factored in. If that changes in due course, the chai...