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Meeting of the Parliament 24 May 2023

24 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ending Violence in Schools

The transformative power of a good, world-leading education system can never be overstated. I know that first hand. My experience is not unique and it was not without significant challenges, but it shows that, when challenges in education are overcome and our education system works, that really can give young people a fighting chance at a future. However, when the system does not work, that potential is wasted.

That is why I have found it deeply sad, in the short time that I have had to witness it up close recently, that Scotland’s once world-leading education system faces the challenges that we see and are discussing today, such as regular challenges to authority, persistent refusals to adhere to school rules, online bullying of teachers and pupils, increasing bullying and harassment in schools, misogyny, pupils wandering around corridors rather than learning in classes, and physical and verbal abuse.

I am afraid that that deepening worrying culture in our schools is a sorry symptom of failure at the hands of a Government that has not delivered on some of its promises, which could have helped to avoid the situation that we are in. In failing, it has not only let down staff and pupils; it has put the future and the next generation of our country in jeopardy.

In her publicised remarks this week, the cabinet secretary was correct in noting that schools are facing challenges in the midst of a cost of living crisis that followed three very tough years of a pandemic. However, she must also recognise that the impact of those challenges was deepened by the Government’s inaction on recovery and its lack of proper analysis and a plan to rebuild from the trauma of the pandemic in schools.

Of course, the pandemic and the cost of living crisis impacted schools, but the problem was growing long before the pandemic. In 2018, there were 17,602 recorded incidents of abuse towards teachers in Scotland. No one should ever be made to feel unsafe in their workplace. Alarm bells should have been ringing for the Scottish National Party long before the situation reached that point. Instead, five years later, it is only just admitting that there is a problem. Of course, we welcome the fact that it has now done so but, in the meantime, the situation has escalated. The National Association of Schoolmasters Union of Women Teachers has estimated that the number of its members who have experienced verbal abuse by a pupil has increased by well over a third since 2019, and 16 per cent of its members have reported experiencing physical assault this year.

My fear is that, rather than working to solve the problems, the SNP has exacerbated them by failing to meet promise after promise. One of the earliest promises, which was made way back in 2007, was to reduce class sizes. Sixteen years later, the proportion of classes with more than 18 pupils in them is higher than it was back then. That situation is not helped by a drastic fall in the number of teachers, which has reduced by more than 900 in that time.

Teachers are well skilled in identifying and well placed to identify the challenges and needs of their pupils, but the strain on their resources and time has left them overstretched and hindered in their ability to do that.

A decline in the number of ASN teachers who are available to support pupils who need support against a cluttered backdrop of the confusing and overlapping legislation that surrounds transitions and access to additional support has made things worse. Teachers are left to pick up the slack, and too often the same is true of their pastoral duties.

That is why I welcome the SNP’s commitment to increasing mental health support and counselling in schools. Doing that would not only have lightened responsibility on teachers; it would have meant better support for young people.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-09126, in the name of Stephen Kerr, on ending violence in Scottish schools. I invite members who wish to ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
This debate is taking place because we need to address the unacceptable level of violence and disruption in our schools. My colleagues can attest to the fact...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare my interest as a former employee of East Lothian Council. Does the member agree that, although there is much to be grateful for in the Conservativ...
Stephen Kerr Con
I agree with my Labour colleague that the issue is a matter of urgency. The summit should be inclusive. It should include young people, but let us please en...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I remind the chamber that my wife is an additional support needs teacher. Teachers in my constituency have told me of their frustration at the Scottish Gove...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We have a little time in hand, but interventions will have to be a little bit briefer. I can give you some of that time back, Mr Kerr.
Stephen Kerr Con
Liam Kerr makes a very good point. The Jenny Gilruth of last Tuesday probably conveyed that impression when she answered a topical question from my friend Ja...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Does my colleague agree that the continued erosion of after-school clubs, youth clubs and extracurricular activities that has been perpetrated by this Govern...
Stephen Kerr Con
We have to make the school experience the holistic educational experience that many of us enjoyed when we were at school. That heritage is the birthright of ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank the Conservatives for the opportunity to discuss an issue that is of vital importance to the education of our children and young people. As the motio...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I think that I was probably one of the last people in Scotland to get the belt, as it was abolished just after I left school—I am not sure whether there was ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I recognise Mr Rennie’s comments, although I will not comment on his experience in school. The issue that he outlines is reflected in some of my experience i...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is the cabinet secretary confident that the data is identifying that small but, I would say, significant group of pupils who are struggling to return to scho...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
In all honesty, no, I am not, and I have asked officials for further advice on that. I receive the national picture, and it is broken down by local authority...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will take the intervention from former teaching colleague Liz Smith, but then I would like to make some progress.
Liz Smith Con
The cabinet secretary has just replied to me in a parliamentary written answer about pupil equity funding, giving me the updated figures. She knows that a ve...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I recognise that point, and I also recognise the member’s interest in the issue. I think that she is taking forward a member’s bill on that. I very much reco...
Stephen Kerr Con
I make a very brief intervention to say that that is exactly why we must deal with the issue of school violence. The vast majority of our children go to scho...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Cabinet secretary, I can give you the time back for the interventions.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I agree with Mr Kerr. The Conservative motion talks about a working group. I am not against that suggestion per se, but we already have a working group in t...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I would really like to make some progress. I am now seven minutes in and have a number of other points that I would like to make—apologies. That group inclu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a bit of time back for the interventions.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Thank you. Excluding a child or young person from school—whatever the circumstances—is an extremely serious step, and it is one that no teacher would take l...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I wish those headteachers more success than the Presiding Officer is sometimes able to achieve. 15:13
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The transformative power of a good, world-leading education system can never be overstated. I know that first hand. My experience is not unique and it was no...
Stephen Kerr Con
Pam Duncan-Glancy mentioned mental health and support. Does she support our suggestion—our demand—that there be a national helpline just for teachers who fac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back.