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Meeting of the Parliament 17 May 2023

17 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Services
Golden, Maurice Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I will focus my comments on local bus services—the sort of services that act as lifelines for our communities by providing the most vulnerable people with everyday access to shopping, services and socialising.

Despite the importance of such bus routes, they can be economically challenging to operate. That is when local authorities step in by providing subsidies to ensure that the routes are accessible to people who have few, if any, other transport options. Therefore, it is of great concern that we see local authorities losing their ability to offer that support. With their budgets having been hollowed out by years of cuts from the Scottish Government, local authorities are inevitably making cuts of their own in order to balance their books. Sadly, local bus services are among those cuts.

I have seen that in my community, where the SNP-led Dundee City Council has voted to end support for five local bus routes. In an effort to plug an £18 million hole in the council budget, more than £122,000 worth of support is being cut from the 51, 202, 204, 206 and 236 services. Those bus routes connect communities across the city—the Ferry, the west end, Lochee, Kirkton, Lawside and more besides. Their loss will be felt in each of those communities, and will be felt especially by the many elderly passengers who rely on them. As my constituents would expect of me, I have taken the matter up with the leader of the council. Along with local councillor Derek Scott, I will continue to push for those services to be reinstated.

This is not just a problem for Dundee, though. The environment and economy spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, Councillor Gail Macgregor, wrote to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee warning of the risk. She said:

“there is concern that incredibly stretched levels of funding in FY23/24 will prevent Councils from providing the bus services they are currently providing, either directly or by subsidising”.

Given that, according to one survey, more than one in five Scots uses a bus weekly, the loss of any service is a serious matter—yet that is what will continue to happen if the Scottish Government keeps gutting council budgets. Its doing so also completely undermines the decision to give councils the ability to run their own bus services. What good is giving councils that power if they have no money to enable them to use it? That is another example of the SNP-Green Government talking a good game but failing to deliver results.

The target to convert the majority of Scotland’s bus fleet to zero-emission vehicles by 2023 is another promise that looks set for failure, with a Transform Scotland report estimating that just 16 per cent of the fleet will have been converted by the deadline.

We have a Scottish Government that is off target, is not investing in our communities and has seen passenger numbers decline by 40 per cent over the past few years. That all adds up to a Government that does not know how to deliver high-quality public transport. I invite the Government to listen to my constituents. They do not want gimmicks from this Government; they want their local bus services back.

15:25  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08954, in the name of Alex Rowley, on access to bus services. I invite members who wish to take part to p...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
On the face of it, my motion for debate is about bus services, route cancellations, inflation-busting fare increases, a lack of investment and a failure of l...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Will Alex Rowley give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The member is just winding up. Mr Rowley, you need to conclude at six minutes. You can take the intervention, but you will then need to conclude.
Alex Rowley Lab
I apologise to the Green member for not being able to take the intervention, but perhaps he and others can start to examine their consciences and ask themsel...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As I am sure that members will already have gathered, there is no time in hand, so speeches will have to stick to the time limit. I invite the minister to sp...
The Minister for Transport (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I welcome the debate on the motion. Mr Rowley said that he wanted a consensual debate, but his opening remarks did not sound consensual at all. However, I a...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I will give way to Liam Kerr, because he asked first.
Liam Kerr Con
Does the minister know exactly where the concentrations of people taking up the under-22s bus scheme are located?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I will provide members with the details of where uptake has occurred. Off the top of my head, I do not have the numbers for each local authority area, but we...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I have a lot to get through, so I will not take the intervention. Improving bus journey times and reliability will contribute to high-quality bus services a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, minister.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will. I recognise just how important a modern, affordable and accessible bus system is for the whole of Scotland. I am impres...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You do need to conclude, minister.
Kevin Stewart SNP
In which case, Presiding Officer, I move amendment S6M-08954.3, to leave out from “notes the recent” to end and insert: “supports the vision outlined in the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I ask members who intend to speak in the debate who have not already done so to press their request-to-speak button. 15:04
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for securing the debate. I am a fan of buses, and I have been ever since my dad worked for a bus company in the 1970s. I would be ev...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
No. Before the pandemic, 373 million journeys a year were made by bus in Scotland, which was the largest number of journeys for any form of public transport...
Kevin Stewart SNP
We are now at a stage at which 15 per cent of our bus fleet is using decarbonised buses, which is much higher than south of the border, where Mr Simpson’s pa...
Graham Simpson Con
The minister mentioned a figure of 15 per cent, yet Transform Scotland said that it was 16 per cent—that is nowhere near the target. The £500 million bus pa...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Had my amendment been chosen, it would have called on the Scottish Government to extend the under-22s free bus entitlement to ferries, which in many island c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. I remind members that we are tight for time. The words “In conclusion” should be uttered before the four-minute mark, not on the ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in support of the Scottish Labour motion. I thank my colleague Alex Rowley for bringing his passion to the chamber today. Public trans...
Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
Buses connect us to our communities and to each other, and they give us freedom and choice. A good bus network should give us an environmentally friendly, ac...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I will focus my comments on local bus services—the sort of services that act as lifelines for our communities by providing the most vulnerable people with ev...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Monica Lennon mentioned that next week is #lovemybus week. I have to say that the event will seem to be rather ironic for many of my constituents, who will b...