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Meeting of the Parliament 17 May 2023

17 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Services
Rowley, Alex Lab Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

On the face of it, my motion for debate is about bus services, route cancellations, inflation-busting fare increases, a lack of investment and a failure of leadership, but, at its heart, my motion is about people who rely on the public transport system to get them to where they need to go. It is about people who get stranded on routes that get cancelled in the interests of shareholders. It is about people being failed by flawed approaches to bus services that hand public money and control to private interests.

In writing the motion, my intention was to instigate a balanced debate that I hoped members across the chamber could get behind, regardless of their party affiliation. That is why I am so disappointed by the Government amendment. It serves as an example of the blinkered approach that has led to the sorry state of bus services across the country.

Let us have a look at the motion and what the Government has removed in its amendment, which will get passed with the Greens’ support. Let us have a discussion about who is interested in the environment and who is interested in getting people out of cars and on to buses, because it is certainly not the Green Party.

My motion notes the

“recent bus fare rises across the country that are hitting during a cost of living crisis”.

The fact that the Government wants that removed suggests that it is in denial. Does it acknowledge that there have been major increases in bus fares across the country, and does it accept that, for many people who are on low incomes, that is a barrier to using buses?

The motion further notes that those fare rises

“come on the back of route cancellations across much of Scotland that are isolating communities.”

Is the Government seriously saying that there have not been route cancellations in every community across Scotland? I am sure that there has been bus cancellation after bus cancellation in the communities of Scottish National Party and Green Party members, just as there has been in our communities. That puts people off using buses.

Indeed, last week in West Lothian, two young people explained how they would both have to spend £40 on a Sunday to get a taxi, because of the bus route cancellations that have taken place. Young people told us that their first bus in the morning had been taken off, so they had to take taxis at £20 because, otherwise, they could not get to their work. Is the Government denying that routes have been cut? It certainly seems to be doing so. Let us look at the SNP amendment, which inserts the words

“supports the vision outlined in the policy prospectus, Equality, Opportunity, Community, for a public transport system that is more accessible”.

The system is not more accessible, and the people who are suffering the most are the poorest.

The amendment goes on to talk about the under-22s and free travel for the over-60s but, in the middle, there is a group of people who are generally on much lower incomes, which is why they are not in their cars, and those people are being denied access to buses because of the costs. You really could not make it up—the Government is in denial. It is not just that the SNP Government is in denial but that it has no idea what to do to build a transport system that will deliver for all the people of Scotland.

At the weekend, one of its members said that the SNP is

“in office but not in power”.

I would go further and say that it has no vision and is a clueless Government that is high on rhetoric, with no idea how to meet the big challenges that Scotland faces at this time. Record numbers of buses have been axed during its time in office, and the number of routes being axed is on the rise, so it is clear that the SNP’s broken system is failing thousands of public transport users in Scotland, and it has no plan to fix it. Indeed, I repeat that the Government does not have a clue about how to begin to fix the problems that we have in Scotland.

Scottish Labour will launch the biggest reform of buses in a generation, end the SNP’s broken system and hand power and control of routes, fares and services back to local communities and people who depend on those services. That is the direction of travel in which we need to go—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08954, in the name of Alex Rowley, on access to bus services. I invite members who wish to take part to p...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
On the face of it, my motion for debate is about bus services, route cancellations, inflation-busting fare increases, a lack of investment and a failure of l...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Will Alex Rowley give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The member is just winding up. Mr Rowley, you need to conclude at six minutes. You can take the intervention, but you will then need to conclude.
Alex Rowley Lab
I apologise to the Green member for not being able to take the intervention, but perhaps he and others can start to examine their consciences and ask themsel...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As I am sure that members will already have gathered, there is no time in hand, so speeches will have to stick to the time limit. I invite the minister to sp...
The Minister for Transport (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I welcome the debate on the motion. Mr Rowley said that he wanted a consensual debate, but his opening remarks did not sound consensual at all. However, I a...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I will give way to Liam Kerr, because he asked first.
Liam Kerr Con
Does the minister know exactly where the concentrations of people taking up the under-22s bus scheme are located?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I will provide members with the details of where uptake has occurred. Off the top of my head, I do not have the numbers for each local authority area, but we...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I have a lot to get through, so I will not take the intervention. Improving bus journey times and reliability will contribute to high-quality bus services a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude, minister.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer—I will. I recognise just how important a modern, affordable and accessible bus system is for the whole of Scotland. I am impres...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You do need to conclude, minister.
Kevin Stewart SNP
In which case, Presiding Officer, I move amendment S6M-08954.3, to leave out from “notes the recent” to end and insert: “supports the vision outlined in the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I ask members who intend to speak in the debate who have not already done so to press their request-to-speak button. 15:04
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for securing the debate. I am a fan of buses, and I have been ever since my dad worked for a bus company in the 1970s. I would be ev...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the member give way?
Graham Simpson Con
No. Before the pandemic, 373 million journeys a year were made by bus in Scotland, which was the largest number of journeys for any form of public transport...
Kevin Stewart SNP
We are now at a stage at which 15 per cent of our bus fleet is using decarbonised buses, which is much higher than south of the border, where Mr Simpson’s pa...
Graham Simpson Con
The minister mentioned a figure of 15 per cent, yet Transform Scotland said that it was 16 per cent—that is nowhere near the target. The £500 million bus pa...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Had my amendment been chosen, it would have called on the Scottish Government to extend the under-22s free bus entitlement to ferries, which in many island c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. I remind members that we are tight for time. The words “In conclusion” should be uttered before the four-minute mark, not on the ...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in support of the Scottish Labour motion. I thank my colleague Alex Rowley for bringing his passion to the chamber today. Public trans...
Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
Buses connect us to our communities and to each other, and they give us freedom and choice. A good bus network should give us an environmentally friendly, ac...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I will focus my comments on local bus services—the sort of services that act as lifelines for our communities by providing the most vulnerable people with ev...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Monica Lennon mentioned that next week is #lovemybus week. I have to say that the event will seem to be rather ironic for many of my constituents, who will b...