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Meeting of the Parliament 03 May 2023

03 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Highly Protected Marine Areas
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

The difference with the Scottish Government’s approach is that it is not bringing the coastal communities with it. The document is a paper exercise and an online process that has had no consultation with any coastal communities at all. The difference between that and the United Kingdom Government’s approach is that the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs consulted coastal communities. The fishermen even agreed on the sites that were proposed.

No one gets this more than fishermen, because without good fish stocks, their businesses would struggle. As the former finance secretary said, if we

“sever the lifeline with fishing, we will undermine the wider economy”—[Official Report, 2 May 2023; c 92.]

of coastal communities. She is right. That is a clear sign of the need to work with fishermen on those issues instead of imposing arbitrary, unevidenced restrictions on their activities. With sustainable fishing practices, our fleet has seen fish stocks rebound over the past 20 years. Plaice, hake and haddock have all seen their populations grow considerably during that time because of sustainable practices, which is down to the hard work of the fishermen who know our seas best, not the result of top-down desktop policies, as we heard during Beatrice Wishart’s members’ business debate on highly protected marine areas.

Our coastal communities have asked the Scottish Government to reconsider these plans. The fishermen in those vulnerable, fragile, rural, coastal communities need to be heard.

Today, the motion presents the Scottish Parliament with a clear choice: we can stand behind these communities, go back to the drawing board and work with them, rather than against them, to protect our seas; or we can press ahead with these unevidenced, unwanted and hugely damaging plans.

We should be under no illusion: these communities are clear that a fishing ban is an existential threat not only to their jobs but to their way of life. We have an opportunity to send them a message that we have listened and we will support them. We have a plan to do that and we want to work with this Government and all parties to ensure that we can protect them and our oceans. I believe that our motion does that, and that the amendments from Labour and the Liberal Democrats show their willingness to do that. I welcome their support and that they are standing up for fishermen, and I am sure that there are others on the back benches who will also stand up for their constituents.

I move,

That the Parliament values the £560 million that fishing contributes to Scotland’s economy and the communities that rely on that industry; recognises fish and shellfish as Scotland’s climate-smart food; further recognises that the fishing industry has worked constructively with the Scottish Government for many years on the network of Marine Protected Areas (MPAs) covering 37% of Scotland’s seas; notes that the Scottish Government’s plans to arbitrarily designate 10% of Scotland’s waters as Highly Protected Marine Areas (HPMAs) with no scientific basis, or proper analysis of any ecological justification; further notes the significant concerns of the fishing sector as a whole and the coastal communities that rely on it, in relation to the Scottish Government’s HPMA proposals and that those proposals have failed to gain the support of coastal communities and that many local authorities also oppose them; notes the lack of any baseline, reliable methodology or modelling and a lack of suitable indicators for assessing their impact; believes that the HPMA policy is at odds with the Scottish Government’s own established cycle of reviewing the MPA network that has been carefully and rigorously developed, and calls upon the Scottish Government to fundamentally reconsider its HPMA proposals and the timeframe for their introduction.

16:05  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08766, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, on reconsidering highly protected marine areas. I would be gratef...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Today’s debate on highly protected marine areas is a rare opportunity for the Parliament to agree on something. We should all agree on standing up for coasta...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
In March, Rachael Hamilton’s colleague Thérèse Coffey, the Conservative Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, called HPMAs a vital way ...
Rachael Hamilton Con
The difference with the Scottish Government’s approach is that it is not bringing the coastal communities with it. The document is a paper exercise and an on...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
As I do not have a great deal of speaking time, I will restrict my opening remarks on behalf of the Government to what I think are the key issues. First, it...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Could the cabinet secretary set out exactly how banning fishing will reduce greenhouse gases?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Finlay Carson may wish to use language such as “banning fishing”, but the point is that we are in the midst of a consultation process that asks about the pri...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have any more time to take interventions from the Conservatives. The meetings that we held included ones with regional inshore fish...
Brian Whittle Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Màiri McAllan SNP
No—I am afraid that I do not have time. The Conservatives stood on a manifesto commitment to HPMA pilots, and the Labour Party stood on a manifesto to inclu...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Cabinet secretary, I am afraid that you are over your time, so I ask you to conclude at this point.
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am short of time, so let me just—
The Presiding Officer NPA
I regret that I cannot let you continue, because we are very tight for time this afternoon.
Màiri McAllan SNP
That is a shame, Presiding Officer. I move amendment S6M-08766.3, to leave out from “the Scottish Government’s plans” to end and insert: “Scotland is in t...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I start by expressing our disappointment at the Scottish Government’s amendment. The tone and content do not demonstrate any understanding of the consternati...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I believe that the only species that is really left at Broad Bay is starfish.
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is correct. Untold damage has been caused to the fishery there. The other thing that cannot help but leave us gasping is that, under those proposals, p...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
It appears that, if we wait ages for a debate on HPMAs, two will come along in quick succession. I thank again all those who took part in last night’s debat...
Brian Whittle Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
I do not have time, I am afraid, Mr Whittle. It has seen Government policy, developed and consulted on over years, upended and replaced by closed-door negot...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
At the outset, I will say that I was taken aback by the call that I was on yesterday afternoon with many MSPs. On that call, we were asked for our opinions o...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Edward Mountain will know that the whole of Scotland’s seafood sector is united in its opposition to HPMAs. Does he agree that the proposals are about the su...
Edward Mountain Con
Absolutely. I take this opportunity to thank Beatrice Wishart for enabling last night’s members’ business debate, which was really interesting. One thing tha...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I agree with Edward Mountain about the importance of those communities. From the beginning, I have been clear that the measures would be developed hand in ha...
Edward Mountain Con
Presiding Officer, I do not know whether I will get back my time for that. No, that is not what the communities see. They see a centralised Government pushi...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I have had sincere and deep ponderings over this debate today and, in fact, over the past few weeks. I have had cause to really take time to reflect. My con...
Finlay Carson Con
Does the member agree that it is not Brexit that is hellbent on banning fishing in vast swathes of our seas, but that it is the Greens and the SNP that want ...
Karen Adam SNP
I disagree with the member’s take on that issue. I will come to this later in my speech, but that politics, with the whole rhetoric around “banning fishing”,...