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Meeting of the Parliament 03 May 2023

03 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Highly Protected Marine Areas
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

Today’s debate on highly protected marine areas is a rare opportunity for the Parliament to agree on something. We should all agree on standing up for coastal and fishing communities.

Last month, the First Minister outlined his priorities for Scotland. He spoke for almost half an hour. He failed to mention fishing or farming once. However, it is never too late to start listening, admit your mistakes and go back to the drawing board. In opening this debate, I appeal directly to Scottish National Party members of the Scottish Parliament representing coastal communities and to other colleagues who want Scottish fishing to thrive in the future.

Anyone who rigidly follows the party line when they know the damage that these plans could do will owe their constituents, Scotland’s fishing industry and coastal and rural communities an explanation. This is not about siding with me and my colleagues on the Conservative benches; it is about siding with the Scottish fishing industry. We should be proud of that industry, which contributes over £0.5 billion to our economy each year.

On top of the challenges that those in the industry are already facing with spatial squeeze, they are contending with a fishing ban that threatens to destroy their livelihoods for good. It is clear to them, as it is to us, that the proposed fishing ban goes too far with too little evidence. We know how that came about: on a dark day, in a dishonourable agreement that was signed in August 2021.

Màiri McAllan’s amendment shows that the Government is not only failing to listen to the concerns of our fishermen and our coastal communities but that it has turned its back on science and certainty. It makes a mockery of the consultation process by taking for granted the fact that highly protected marine areas will be designated. Popeye Ewing must have fisherman’s forearms to have ripped the document apart last night—believe me, I have tried.

The SNP amendment potentially misleads the Parliament in suggesting that the plans are in line with the European Union’s, when, in fact, Scotland has already gone over and above its marine protected area targets. It cites evidence from one area and entirely ignores contradictory evidence from another. The Bute house agreement has much to answer for. It rides roughshod over the livelihoods of hard-working fishermen, with a blatant disregard for the communities that they support and the science around the matter that we are discussing.

The arbitrary figure of 10 per cent of Scottish waters being designated as highly protected marine areas has been plucked from the sky with no scientific backing or ecological justification to underpin it. The First Minister insisted that the Government would not impose those policies on communities that do not want them. Now, the line in the SNP’s amendment has changed to refer to vehement opposition. Even if it could be defined or measured, it is evident that the Government is moving the goalposts. There has been no explanation of the problem that those proposals are trying to address or the goal that they are trying to achieve. We do not even know how effective the existing marine protected area network is in supporting and maintaining biodiversity in our waters. There has been no impact assessment of how those plans would affect our coastal communities and no feasibility study into how they could be implemented and enforced.

My colleague Murdo Fraser has just discussed a recent inquiry in which we learnt that former ministers, senior civil servants and special advisers believe that Scottish Government decision making is rushed, unclear and unstructured, as we saw with the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. We are here again. To describe the policy as rushed, unclear and unstructured would be far too generous. On the other side of the conversation, the fishing sector has taken its time to construct clear, coherent arguments against the proposals.

Nonetheless, it is important to say that I absolutely understand the need to protect our marine environment. I am certain that that is another point on which we can all agree.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08766, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, on reconsidering highly protected marine areas. I would be gratef...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Today’s debate on highly protected marine areas is a rare opportunity for the Parliament to agree on something. We should all agree on standing up for coasta...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
In March, Rachael Hamilton’s colleague Thérèse Coffey, the Conservative Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, called HPMAs a vital way ...
Rachael Hamilton Con
The difference with the Scottish Government’s approach is that it is not bringing the coastal communities with it. The document is a paper exercise and an on...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
As I do not have a great deal of speaking time, I will restrict my opening remarks on behalf of the Government to what I think are the key issues. First, it...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Could the cabinet secretary set out exactly how banning fishing will reduce greenhouse gases?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Finlay Carson may wish to use language such as “banning fishing”, but the point is that we are in the midst of a consultation process that asks about the pri...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am sorry, but I do not have any more time to take interventions from the Conservatives. The meetings that we held included ones with regional inshore fish...
Brian Whittle Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Màiri McAllan SNP
No—I am afraid that I do not have time. The Conservatives stood on a manifesto commitment to HPMA pilots, and the Labour Party stood on a manifesto to inclu...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Cabinet secretary, I am afraid that you are over your time, so I ask you to conclude at this point.
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am short of time, so let me just—
The Presiding Officer NPA
I regret that I cannot let you continue, because we are very tight for time this afternoon.
Màiri McAllan SNP
That is a shame, Presiding Officer. I move amendment S6M-08766.3, to leave out from “the Scottish Government’s plans” to end and insert: “Scotland is in t...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I start by expressing our disappointment at the Scottish Government’s amendment. The tone and content do not demonstrate any understanding of the consternati...
Rachael Hamilton Con
I believe that the only species that is really left at Broad Bay is starfish.
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is correct. Untold damage has been caused to the fishery there. The other thing that cannot help but leave us gasping is that, under those proposals, p...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
It appears that, if we wait ages for a debate on HPMAs, two will come along in quick succession. I thank again all those who took part in last night’s debat...
Brian Whittle Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam McArthur LD
I do not have time, I am afraid, Mr Whittle. It has seen Government policy, developed and consulted on over years, upended and replaced by closed-door negot...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
At the outset, I will say that I was taken aback by the call that I was on yesterday afternoon with many MSPs. On that call, we were asked for our opinions o...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Edward Mountain will know that the whole of Scotland’s seafood sector is united in its opposition to HPMAs. Does he agree that the proposals are about the su...
Edward Mountain Con
Absolutely. I take this opportunity to thank Beatrice Wishart for enabling last night’s members’ business debate, which was really interesting. One thing tha...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I agree with Edward Mountain about the importance of those communities. From the beginning, I have been clear that the measures would be developed hand in ha...
Edward Mountain Con
Presiding Officer, I do not know whether I will get back my time for that. No, that is not what the communities see. They see a centralised Government pushi...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I have had sincere and deep ponderings over this debate today and, in fact, over the past few weeks. I have had cause to really take time to reflect. My con...
Finlay Carson Con
Does the member agree that it is not Brexit that is hellbent on banning fishing in vast swathes of our seas, but that it is the Greens and the SNP that want ...
Karen Adam SNP
I disagree with the member’s take on that issue. I will come to this later in my speech, but that politics, with the whole rhetoric around “banning fishing”,...