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Meeting of the Parliament 02 May 2023

02 May 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Highly Protected Marine Areas
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

I cannot think of a more important issue on which to give my first speech from the back benches since 2018. I am delighted to be back. However, I am not delighted about the substance of the debate because, given that it is about conservation, my warning is stark: if the proposals go ahead as planned, the rarest species in our coastal areas and islands will soon be people.

The figures back that up. National Records of Scotland is clear that all our coastal areas will have a double-digit reduction in population between 2018 and 2044. We are talking about the Western Isles, Argyll and Bute, and Inverclyde. It is people who are at greatest risk, through depopulation. Despite that bleak outlook, there are signs of recovery, and that recovery is driven in many areas by fishing.

Let us look at Tiree, where fishing supports 20 full-time jobs, which, in turn, support 25 per cent of the children under the age of eight on the island. Every one of those children are in the Gaelic-medium unit. Language, heritage and culture drive tourism, but if we sever the lifeline with fishing, we will undermine the wider economy.

My position in the leadership contest was that I would scrap HPMAs completely if elected. I did not win, and my job now is to represent my constituents and to navigate a way forward. The seafood sector’s statement, which I believe is to be issued tomorrow, offers a way forward: either to drop the proposals or to find a clear consensus—which requires fishermen’s voices to be part of the discussion—on balancing protections in the marine environment and safeguarding tens of thousands of jobs.

I was hugely heartened by the First Minister’s comments—and, indeed, by those of Màiri McAllan, who has been exceptional at engaging—that no communities will see HPMAs imposed on them against their will. The difficulty, of course, is that I have not come across a single community that wants HPMAs. Therefore, the challenge will be finding anywhere to impose them.

I have not taken interventions, as I wanted to use the last minute of my comments to quote the words of a fisherman. That is because this is not about taking politicians’ words but about listening directly to those people. I want to quote Donald Francis MacNeil, who made his singing debut last month with Skipinnish with the song “The Clearances Again”.

I will not sing it, but it can be heard sung online. He sings:

“Donald Francis MacNeil is my name,
I’m a fisherman through to the bone.
I have lived by the creel and the wave
To provide for a family and home.
Generations before me have followed
The toil and the call of the seas
But the soul will be torn from our future
And the heart from the Hebrides ...

My people, my language, my Island
And the rights that our forefathers won
To remain on the soil of our homeland
By the sweep of a pen will be gone—
A wrecking ball through our existence;
Tradition and culture condemned
At the hands of the arrogant stranger—
The Clearances over again.

But we’ll join with the kin of our coastline
From Ness to the Holy Isle.
Faceless grey suits from the cities,
They will not play games with our lives.
My song marks a fight for survival
A Mayday call we cry.
We will stand for the rights of our children.
We will not let our islands die.”

May that be the rallying call for this Parliament.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-08651, in the name of Beatrice Wishart, on highly protected marine areas. The debate w...
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I thank those members who signed the motion that allowed the debate to be brought to the chamber. HPMAs are “a blunt instrument”. Those are not my words but...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this debate to the chamber today and giving us all the opportunity to speak on the issues. I represent a number of coa...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this important debate to the chamber. Marine ecosystems worldwide store and cycle an estimated 93 per cent of the eart...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is bringing his remarks to a close.
Brian Whittle Con
Not to do so would mean that the Scottish Government was turning its back on those communities. 17:24
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing this important members’ business debate to the chamber. Over the course of the consultation period for highly protected...
Brian Whittle Con
Will the member give way?
Alasdair Allan SNP
No—I will make progress, as there is very little time. Even on recent primary school visits, HPMAs have been the first thing that many pupils have wanted to...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing the debate to the chamber. This issue has caused great consternation in fishing communities. The Scottish Governm...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I understand deeply the member’s points, but I want to question how what she is saying reconciles with the fact that she was elected on a manifesto commitmen...
Rhoda Grant Lab
That gets to the nub of the matter. This is not about protecting the marine areas—it is about how we protect them. That is done not from the top down but fro...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The member will remember that, in 2016, this Government was elected on the principle of bringing in an inshore fisheries bill, which it fundamentally failed ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Absolutely. Managing our seas has to be devolved to local communities. They depend on the fisheries for their very survival and they need the fisheries to c...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
I warmly thank Beatrice Wishart for bringing the debate and the opportunity to speak in it to the chamber, and I congratulate her on her excellent contributi...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I join other members in thanking my colleague Beatrice Wishart not just for bringing this evening’s debate but for the tenacity that she has shown in articul...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Mr McArthur also agree that the uncertainty that the proposals are causing is impacting the ability to recruit into the sector?
Liam McArthur LD
I very much agree. I think that that was the point that Karen Adam made. Whether it is in relation to coming into the sector or people seeking to buy new ves...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Beatrice Wishart for securing the debate. I will start by supporting some of what she has said in her motion. We all know, and we all agree, t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Due to the number of members who still wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend the debate by...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I thank my colleague Beatrice Wishart for securing the debate and giving us the opportunity to discuss the subject of HPMAs. Scotland is an island nation, a...
Brian Whittle Con
What species are in danger of extinction, and is that verified by neutral science, by any chance?
Edward Mountain Con
Does that include crofters?
Ariane Burgess Green
I apologise to Brian Whittle. I was being distracted by somebody else. Presiding Officer, “This is a crucial next step to aid marine ecosystem recovery in ...
Kate Forbes (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP) SNP
I cannot think of a more important issue on which to give my first speech from the back benches since 2018. I am delighted to be back. However, I am not deli...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call on the cabinet secretary to respond to the debate. 17:58
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I thank Beatrice Wishart for lodging the motion. I also thank her and other members for their contributions today, and those colleagues who joined me in the ...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Can the cabinet secretary give members a sense of how long it will take to read the responses to the consultation? How many responses did the Government rece...
Màiri McAllan SNP
In an interview that I gave earlier, I noted that we have had thousands of responses. I am still working out how many of them are duplicates and how many wer...
Liam McArthur LD
As someone who is working on a member’s bill to which there have been 14,000 responses, I feel the cabinet secretary’s pain and wish her good speed in gettin...