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Meeting of the Parliament 20 April 2023

20 Apr 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Climate Change and Just Transition

I will come on to speak about some of the actions. The cabinet secretary has already mentioned those plans.

Last year saw the hottest temperatures that Scotland has ever recorded. It was a staggering 35.1°C in Kelso. Unfortunately, as Beatrice Wishart mentioned, it is now looking extremely likely that we will pass the 1.5°C marker in the early 2030s. However, knowing that we are likely to pass the marker does not mean that we should give up. We must be wary of an “It’s going to happen anyway, so there’s nothing I can do” attitude. Many people will adopt that pessimistic way of thinking, because it is the easiest approach in the short term, but doing so would continue to condemn everything we know. As Sir David Attenborough put it,

“What humans do over the next 50 years will determine the fate of all life on the planet.”

If we reach 2°C above pre-industrial levels, the risk to human life is much higher. Diseases such as malaria will spread much more quickly, food security will be volatile at best, and economies across the world will suffer greatly, pushing yet more people into poverty.

My constituency was home to the 26th UN climate change conference of the parties—COP26. Nations from across the world met and agreed on statements around reducing carbon to net zero, achieving a just transition to greener energy and protecting nature. No one nation can do it alone, but we can do our bit here, at home.

Glasgow City Council agreed that 2030 should be the target for bringing the city to net zero carbon emissions. That is no mean feat, because our nation’s largest city is home to many great and varied industries, and hundreds of thousands of people commute into Glasgow on any given working day. Most arrive by car—recent figures show that nearly 70 per cent of people travel to work by car or van, as either the driver or a passenger.

Glasgow City Council has done and is doing much work to change people’s attitudes and behaviour when it comes to moving around the city. We hear a lot about modal shift, whether that be moving people on to public forms of transport, such as our rail, bus and subway networks, or encouraging people to take a more active travel path by walking or cycling to work.

As of June, Glasgow City Council will be enforcing a low-emission zone throughout much of the city, the chief aim of which is to reduce extremely dangerous levels of air pollution. Unfortunately, two of the highest recorded levels have been in my constituency of Glasgow Kelvin. I have no doubt that the LEZ will encourage some to consider taking other modes of transport into the city, thereby helping us to reduce our commuter carbon footprint.

However—I say this as an ardent supporter of any measures to tackle the human impact of climate change—we must accept that, for many people, a car will remain the most appropriate mode of transport for getting to work. Those people include people with mobility issues and people who live in rural areas.

Cars are and will remain a major presence on our road networks for some time to come, and we need to get even more creative about how we manage and reduce the impact that they have on our environment. A move to electric vehicles is an obvious answer but, currently, they are too pricey for many people. Incentivising car-sharing schemes might alleviate the need for multiple cars to make the same or similar journeys. That is part of the answer to Glasgow reaching net zero by 2030, but it is only part of the answer. Home energy retrofitting, district heating, decarbonising industry, moving to hydrogen or electric transport and protecting and growing natural solutions for carbon sequestration all have a major part to play in Glasgow’s journey to net zero.

I put on record my thanks to and appreciation of our hard-working councillors in Glasgow—particularly Councillor Angus Millar, who chairs the climate, Glasgow green deal, transport and city centre recovery committee. Councillor Millar and his colleagues are very much alive to the challenges that we have before us as we seek to meet the 2030 target, but they have shown a determination to get the work done. However, that work comes with a very high financial burden. To date, central Government has put its money where its mouth is, but much more will be needed if we are to reach our 2030 targets.

As I understand it, there are opportunities to tap into alternative finance options but there are not the appropriate structures in place to enable local government to procure what it needs, at a fast pace, in order to meet timescale demands. I would be grateful if the minister, in summing up the debate, could say more about what work the Government is doing to free up councils to work more flexibly with external partners to reach their climate goals.

It is a no-brainer. Last year, parts of the UK were literally on fire. Let us not weather this storm; let us beat it.

15:48  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08626, in the name of Màiri McAllan, on delivering climate change and the just transition. I invite membe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I am delighted to open the debate in my new role as Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition. Those matters coming together, side by side at Cabine...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I presume that the cabinet secretary will acknowledge that the UK Government’s £16 billion North Sea transition deal is 32 times the size of her Government’s...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I acknowledge and welcome every bit of support that flows into our north-east because of its importance to the future of our economy and to climate targets. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Liam Kerr to speak to and move amendment S6M-08626.2, for around eight minutes. 15:18
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the cabinet secretary to her new role. We, too, recognise the scale and urgency of the climate crisis. That is why the UK’s success in nearly halvi...
The Minister for Energy (Gillian Martin) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam Kerr Con
In two seconds, please. We know that natural gas from the North Sea emits less than half as much greenhouse gas as liquefied natural gas imported from count...
Gillian Martin SNP
I am keen to work with north-east MSPs on all this, and I am hopeful that we will have a constructive relationship. Does Liam Kerr agree that part of the is...
Liam Kerr Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Sarah Boyack to speak to and move amendment S6M-08626.1. 15:27
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to be winding up.
Sarah Boyack Lab
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Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I welcome the cabinet secretary to her new role. Had my amendment been accepted, it would have called on the Scottish Government to address the volume of se...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:42
Kaukab Stewart (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP) SNP
I welcome this timely debate on the urgency to deliver on tackling climate change and to ensure a just transition. We have to reimagine behavioural and cultu...
Liam Kerr Con
How does what the member has just said square with Audit Scotland saying that the Government has no clear plan for reaching net zero?
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I will come on to speak about some of the actions. The cabinet secretary has already mentioned those plans. Last year saw the hottest temperatures that Scot...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to have the opportunity to contribute to such an important debate. I will start by quoting a commitment by the Scottish Government. It says: ...
Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary to her role and want her to succeed, but, to do so, she will have to work very closely with the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbei...
Liam Kerr Con
I am listening very carefully to what the member is saying. I wonder whether she can explain the logic of splitting out energy from the net zero portfolio, b...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I have given my view on the logic, but I am sure that the Government can explain that itself. The member is also taking part in the inquiry into a just tran...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. The Scottish Government’s just transition commission is a rather measured, moderate grou...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, I am pleased to speak in the debate, and I take the opportunity to welcome the Cabinet Secretary...
Liam Kerr Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give Jackie Dunbar the time back.
Jackie Dunbar SNP
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. I am just fair forfochen—I am sorry; that is a good old-fashioned Doric word for being exhausted—haein tae explain tae ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I warmly welcome the cabinet secretary and the minister to their new roles, and I look forward to our joint work ahead, particularly on the forthcoming clima...
Sarah Boyack Lab
Will the member take an intervention?