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Meeting of the Parliament 20 April 2023

20 Apr 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Damp Housing
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank Foysol Choudhury for securing the debate, and I hope that it will be instrumental in getting this issue the priority that it deserves.

Others have already spoken about the death of Awaab Ishak. It was a tragedy but, sadly, it was not a one-off. His parents fought bravely to have their housing issues recognised and to protect their child, and I am sad to say that they also had to fight to have the cause of his death properly recorded. That took strength.

I fear that, if all deaths due to damp and mouldy homes were recorded appropriately, the numbers would be huge. We all have cases of families coming to us, complaining of damp in their homes. All too often, they are told that it is down to their drying washing indoors, and their concerns are not taken seriously. “Putting Safety First: a briefing note on damp and mould for social housing practitioners” states:

“Responding to damp and mould primarily or initially as a lifestyle problem is inappropriate and ineffective.”

Indeed, that was reflected in the Housing Ombudsman’s report into the social landlord responsible for Awaab Ishak’s death. It takes effort and persistence to get a different approach taken and to get concerns taken seriously.

Housing problems are going to get worse, because of the cost of living crisis. People can no longer afford to heat their homes adequately and, as a result, damp is much more likely. The Highlands and Islands has the highest rates of fuel poverty in the country. The climate means that homes need year-round heating, and people do not have the luxury of being able to turn off the heating in the summer. The Scottish Government must therefore revisit the winter heating payment. It is unacceptable that people who have to have their heating on year round receive the same amount as those who can switch theirs off over the summer.

The Scottish Government must also look at its other schemes such as the boiler replacement and insulation schemes, which do nothing for off-gas-grid properties. They have been designed for urban housing schemes, not draughty old croft houses. It is sad that such ignorance on the part of the Scottish Government is actively stopping intervention instead of putting it in place.

Moreover, there is no point installing heat pumps in homes that have poor or no insulation. The Scottish Government must start by retrofitting old homes to make them energy efficient and then look at heating solutions. Of course, we need to stop reliance on fossil fuels, but the only way of doing that is by providing workable alternatives, which must start with cutting the amount of fuel needed to heat a home.

The Scottish Government is not doing that in the areas with the highest fuel poverty. Policy devised for rural areas works everywhere, whereas policy designed in urban areas does not transfer easily to rural parts. I urge those in the Government to get out from behind their desks and look at the reality of the impact of these policies on rural Scotland, because our young people should be able to grow up healthy and happy in warm homes.

13:23  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I encourage those who are leaving the public gallery and the chamber to do so as quickly and quietly as possible. The next item of business is a members’ bu...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking all those who signed the motion and all my colleagues who are present to speak on what is an important issue. As members will be aware, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Given the earlier start time for the resumption of business this afternoon, I would be grateful if colleagues stick to their speaking time allocation, althou...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
I commend Foysol Choudhury for his motion and for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I am speaking in my capacity as a constituency MSP, of cour...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and Lothian MSP colleague Foysol Choudhury for securing this important debate. As Ben Macpherson has outlined, I hope that the debate provi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I apologise to members, as I will have to leave early to attend an event that I agreed to chair some time ago. Like other members, I am grateful to Foysol C...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank my colleague Foysol Choudhury for bringing this important debate to chamber. I begin by offering my condolences to Awaab Ishak’s family. They suffer...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Foysol Choudhury for securing the debate, and I hope that it will be instrumental in getting this issue the priority that it deserves. Others ...
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Foysol Choudhury for lodging this motion for debate. There is no doubt that, in the 12 years that I have been an MSP representing the Edinburgh...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the new housing minister to his post. I congratulate Foysol Choudhury for leading this important debate and for his relentless campaigning for just...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Leonard. I call Paul McLennan to respond to the debate. 13:32
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank Foysul Choudhury for bringing forward the motion an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I give you a gentle reminder that remarks should be made through the chair rather than directly to members.
Paul McLennan SNP
My apologies. Miles Briggs mentioned tenure and meeting the same standards as set out in “Housing to 2040”. That is something that we will be looking to do. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate. I suspend the meeting until 2 o’clock. 13:40 Meeting suspended. 14:00 On resuming—