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Meeting of the Parliament 20 April 2023

20 Apr 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Damp Housing
Adamson, Clare SNP Motherwell and Wishaw Watch on SPTV

I thank my colleague Foysol Choudhury for bringing this important debate to chamber.

I begin by offering my condolences to Awaab Ishak’s family. They suffered an unimaginable tragedy in 2020. Awaab was two years old and he died needlessly. His death was wholly preventable. He was a poor bairn who was poorly served by public service, and that should be chilling to all of us in the chamber. Article 27 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child states:

“I have the right to have a proper house, food and clothing.”

A proper house does not mean any house; it means a house that gives security and safety and that does not damage health.

I am heartened by the action that the Scottish Government has taken on housing during the pandemic and amidst a cost of living crisis. Measures such as the rent freeze and the moratorium on evictions were bold rights-based policies, and those ideals—protecting people’s right to housing—should be the benchmark for future policy. We can build on that progress.

My office has a vested interested in this debate, as our case load has been high with serious concerns about the prevalent dismissive attitudes of many landlords—including social landlords—when it came to damp and mould. Awaab’s story should have set alarm bells ringing for landlords across the UK but, during the past year, my office has received several reports of damp and mould in local authority housing from constituents. Sadly, the blame game exists. The most typical excuses that are given in response are that damp and mould are caused by excessive showering, drying clothes in the house and not ventilating the property. We have to push for further action.

As reflected in today’s motion, that dismissive culture has led to tenants being forced to adopt potentially harmful daily practices. Many will feel compelled to turn on the heating to counter the cold and damp, and many will feel conflicted because they are worried about rising bills. Some will feel pressured to open windows to increase ventilation, but Scottish winters are unforgiving.

In some cases, the council eventually agreed to do remedial works. Unfortunately, that often means just covering over the damp areas and not tackling the dampness in the buildings. When the damp inevitably returns, the work order is repeated.

I have been helping a constituent who was forced out of their home due to flooding caused by empty council properties, or voids. The council in question is North Lanarkshire Council, which has a Labour administration that is supported by the Tories. The failure to secure voids against the winter has caused immeasurable damage not only to the void properties but to neighbouring ones and to council tenants.

One constituent of mine has been out of her home for five months awaiting remedial work because of damage caused by flooding because a void property was not protected from the winter. In that time, she has been paying rent for a property she cannot live in. That inequity cannot be allowed to exist.

As I said at the outset, the right to safe, secure and warm housing is not rhetoric; it is a fundamental human right and, indeed, a children’s right. The abrogation of that right has become prevalent, and landlords must be held to account when it is impinged on. I wholly reject the notion that that is a lofty or idealistic want; with political will, it is eminently achievable.

I again thank Foysol Choudhury for highlighting the very sad case of Awaab Ishak and his family. Let us ensure that his death was not in vain, as we tackle this issue.

13:20  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I encourage those who are leaving the public gallery and the chamber to do so as quickly and quietly as possible. The next item of business is a members’ bu...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I begin by thanking all those who signed the motion and all my colleagues who are present to speak on what is an important issue. As members will be aware, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Given the earlier start time for the resumption of business this afternoon, I would be grateful if colleagues stick to their speaking time allocation, althou...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
I commend Foysol Choudhury for his motion and for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I am speaking in my capacity as a constituency MSP, of cour...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and Lothian MSP colleague Foysol Choudhury for securing this important debate. As Ben Macpherson has outlined, I hope that the debate provi...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I apologise to members, as I will have to leave early to attend an event that I agreed to chair some time ago. Like other members, I am grateful to Foysol C...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank my colleague Foysol Choudhury for bringing this important debate to chamber. I begin by offering my condolences to Awaab Ishak’s family. They suffer...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Foysol Choudhury for securing the debate, and I hope that it will be instrumental in getting this issue the priority that it deserves. Others ...
Gordon MacDonald (Edinburgh Pentlands) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Foysol Choudhury for lodging this motion for debate. There is no doubt that, in the 12 years that I have been an MSP representing the Edinburgh...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the new housing minister to his post. I congratulate Foysol Choudhury for leading this important debate and for his relentless campaigning for just...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Leonard. I call Paul McLennan to respond to the debate. 13:32
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank Foysul Choudhury for bringing forward the motion an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I give you a gentle reminder that remarks should be made through the chair rather than directly to members.
Paul McLennan SNP
My apologies. Miles Briggs mentioned tenure and meeting the same standards as set out in “Housing to 2040”. That is something that we will be looking to do. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate. I suspend the meeting until 2 o’clock. 13:40 Meeting suspended. 14:00 On resuming—