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Meeting of the Parliament 23 March 2023

23 Mar 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Supporting Taxi Drivers
Gilruth, Jenny SNP Mid Fife and Glenrothes Watch on SPTV

I start by congratulating Pauline McNeill on securing this afternoon’s important members’ business debate. Pauline McNeill was right to say that our taxi drivers are vital to the Scottish economy.

I have listened carefully to members’ contributions, and I appreciate the issues and concerns that they have raised. I will try to respond to each in turn. I am conscious that, next week, I might not be the transport minister, so I want to put on record my commitment throughout my time in post to engaging directly with our trade unions and particularly on this issue. In fact, I met them on the matter only last week.

As we heard earlier, exactly three years ago today, the country entered a national lockdown. “Stay at home” was the mantra for us all; saving lives was the imperative. As we have heard today, lockdown restrictions cut us off from family and friends, but they also necessitated certain businesses stopping trading—cafes and shops ceased to trade. Indeed, the Scottish economy contracted by 20 per cent during the first few months of lockdown. The Scottish Government provided support and made available around £4.4 billion in grants and non-domestic rates relief. That helped to save many businesses—it was a lifeline. However, as we have heard from Pauline McNeill and others today, it was a really challenging time for our taxi industry.

We also know, as we heard from members, that demand for taxi services plummeted during the pandemic. Operators reported an 80 per cent drop in bookings—we heard about some of that in Foysol Choudhury’s contribution—and many drivers chose to leave the profession, as we heard from Mr Sweeney. Those who stayed in the profession reported huge reductions in their income.

The Scottish Government provided specific funding to the taxi trade through the taxi and private hire driver support fund and latterly through the taxi and private hire vehicle driver and operator support fund. However, as we heard from Pauline McNeill, the importance of the night-time economy, particularly during our recovery from the pandemic, cannot be overstated. Foysol Choudhury will know of my particular interest in that, given my previous ministerial responsibilities as Minister for Culture, Europe and International Development.

It is important that, in the Government, we have a holistic approach that recognises the challenge that our night-time economy in particular faces. That is a particular issue for Glasgow, where it is such a thriving industry. As I am half Glaswegian, I must put on record that I lived in Glasgow for nearly a quarter of my life as a student and, latterly, when I was working. Therefore, I very much recognise the vibrancy of that night-time economy and the need to support it adequately. In particular, that includes our taxi drivers who work in that environment.

As I have put on the record, I have previously met the Scottish Trades Union Congress and Unite. At the end of last year, I also met the Scottish Private Hire Association to talk about this issue and others more broadly. The sector faces a number of challenges at this time.

We heard from David Torrance about some of the challenges in relation to driver shortages, which have been exacerbated to some extent by Brexit. As I mentioned, it is also true to say that some have simply chosen to walk away from the trade completely.

I want to mention the importance of having properly licensed taxis. As I think we heard from Graham Simpson and others, women and minorities often depend on our taxi trade to get home safely.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I encourage those who are leaving the public gallery to do so as quickly and as quietly as possible, as we are resuming business with a members’ business deb...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Pauline McNeill Lab
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David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank my friend and colleague Pauline McNeill for bringing the debate to the chamber and for all the work that she has done to support the taxi trade, incl...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Pauline McNeill for bringing this really important debate to the chamber. When I was driving into Glasgow earlier this week, I saw a rather depressin...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate my Glasgow colleague Pauline McNeill on bringing this important motion to the chamber for debate. I hope that the minister has heard the word...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Jenny Gilruth to respond to the debate. 13:55
The Minister for Transport (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
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Pauline McNeill Lab
Before you move on to that, I want to highlight something that Paul Sweeney talked about. It is a good point that has also been made to me in conversation. D...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair, please.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
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Paul Sweeney Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
The member makes an important and valid point. I will not give him a commitment on the record today, for reasons that he will well understand. However, there...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
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Jenny Gilruth SNP
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