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Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2023

14 Mar 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Net Zero: Local Government and Cross-sectoral Partners

There is no question but that the cuts in support for bus companies will hit rural areas harder, as those are the more heavily subsidised parts of our network scheme.

What frustrates me is that, nearly four years after the Parliament passed the Transport (Scotland) Act 2019, the Government is still dragging its heels on giving councils the powers secured in that act and, more importantly, the resources that they need to deliver publicly owned local bus services in order to start to put passengers, not profits, first.

If we want to see evidence of this Government’s lack of commitment to a just transition, we need only look at the way in which it and Glasgow City Council treated Glasgow’s taxi drivers when introducing the low-emission zone. They have failed to support drivers adequately to make that transition, which will force many out of business or into unmanageable debt.

If we want a just transition with regard to our buildings, which are the second biggest emitter of greenhouse gases and account for a quarter of emissions, we will not get that by cutting the energy efficiency budget by £133 million. Instead, we should be tackling the issue of why poorly designed schemes—including the area-based schemes that are administered by local authorities—are not being utilised, given the shocking levels of fuel poverty in Scotland and the knowledge that insulating our homes properly cuts not only fuel bills but fuel use and therefore emissions.

We need more clarity and certainty for our councils, home owners, landowners and—crucially—supply chains through the early publication of future regulations for heating and energy efficiency. That regulatory framework needs to sit alongside an effective enabling framework, learning from effective retrofit examples from across Europe. For example, in Europe, one-stop shops are emerging that provide end-to-end management of the retrofit and installation process for the home owner, from access to information on options to getting quotes and engaging in contracts.

Even in areas such as energy production, where we have made good progress in cutting emissions, not only have we not seen a just transition, with many of the supply chain opportunities going overseas, but we see that that progress is now under threat because of the long-term decline in the number of council-employed planners. In my region of Dumfries and Galloway, eight of the latest 11 wind farm projects that were taken to the Scottish Government’s planning and environmental appeals division resulted from a failure to decide the application locally within the required four-month timescale, primarily due to a lack of planning staff.

The clock is ticking towards our net zero targets, but the Government lacks a clear plan for the urgent actions that are needed to meet those targets to ensure that we play our part in stopping the climate crisis from becoming a climate catastrophe. Our councils are key to meeting those targets, but we need to start to give them the powers, the support, the resources and the respect that they need to help us to deliver that greener, fairer Scotland that we all want to see.

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In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item is a debate on motion S6M-08209, in the name of Edward Mountain, on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, on the role of loca...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open the debate on the committee’s inquiry. I thank the many people who contributed to the inquiry, especially the councils and their local p...
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport (Michael Matheson) SNP
I take this opportunity to thank the committee for its time and effort in undertaking its inquiry and producing its very detailed report. I also put on the r...
Fiona Hyslop (Linlithgow) (SNP) SNP
I listened carefully to what the cabinet secretary said. He described the place-based approach as being about participatory budgeting in local geographical a...
Michael Matheson SNP
I very much agree with that. One action that we have been taking, as I mentioned, is through climate action hubs, which are about helping to lever in public ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I appreciate what the cabinet secretary says about community engagement, as that is a vital subject on which I think we can all agree. However, the report st...
Michael Matheson SNP
On the point about guidance, yes, there needs to be guidance, but that needs to be developed in partnership with local government, and not be top-down guidan...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Matheson SNP
I am conscious of the time, Presiding Officer. Do I have to conclude?
The Presiding Officer NPA
You do indeed.
Michael Matheson SNP
I therefore offer my apologies to the member. We are also continuing to work closely with local government through our recently established heat network sup...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the clerks to the committee and my fellow committee members for what is a very good report—I agree with the convener about that. It is a considerable...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the members of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee for carrying out the inquiry, the many organisations and individuals who gave evidence an...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will Colin Smyth take an intervention?
Colin Smyth Lab
I certainly will. Will I get extra time for Stephen Kerr putting his card in?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is some time in hand, Mr Smyth—do not worry. Are we there, Mr Kerr?
Stephen Kerr Con
We all do that at some point, and I have just done it. Does Colin Smyth agree with the report, which says that the “clear message of this inquiry is that n...
Colin Smyth Lab
The point was well worth waiting for, and it is a point that COSLA made in its recent response to the committee’s report. It said that the Government has no ...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Colin Smyth agree that that hits rural areas disproportionately harder than urban areas?
Colin Smyth Lab
There is no question but that the cuts in support for bus companies will hit rural areas harder, as those are the more heavily subsidised parts of our networ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Edward Mountain and his committee for producing a very substantial report. I think that it will—unlike some committee reports, I have to say—actually...
Brian Whittle Con
Does Willie Rennie agree that, as a Parliament, we need to start looking further than a parliamentary term and to start making long-term strategies that are ...
Willie Rennie LD
I wish that we could do that. However, the nature of politics is that we want answers now. We want to get results immediately. Of course, people are desperat...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I am aware of the discussions on a heat network in Cupar, but that was happening largely before the heat networks legislation was brought into place. Does Wi...
Willie Rennie LD
Having plans is fine, but how do we deal with the risk? Who takes that risk? Do they have the money? Do they have the incentive? Are they addressing competin...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before we move to the open debate, I advise members that, at this point, we have some time in hand, so members may wish to make and/or take interventions. 1...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in my first committee debate as a member of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee—I think that this is the first time since I jo...
Liam Kerr Con
When the member calls for the UK Government to match the just transition fund, does she think that the £16 billion North Sea transition deal goes any way tow...
Jackie Dunbar SNP
Well, the UK Government has taken £300 billion from the north-east of Scotland through the Treasury since the 1970s, if you are going to start matching funds...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am delighted to contribute to the debate, which highlights the vital role that local government can and must play in the journey to net zero. As the level ...