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Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2023

14 Mar 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill: United Kingdom Legislation

If Brian Whittle has been paying attention, he should be well aware that the Australia and New Zealand deals were very bad for Scottish agribusiness. If we look at the Brexit deal, we see that we should be back as part of the European Union and having free trade as a consequence of that. We are very much in favour of that.

We will take each trade deal on its merits. Trade deals, as Brian Whittle should know, are a balance of the offensive and defensive. If we think that Scottish business is being harmed by the UK Government rushing headlong into random trade deals, we will vote for Scottish interests.

Willie Rennie and Daniel Johnson make the point that we should engage with the UK Government, and I have made it very clear that we have done so. In fact, this afternoon, we had a constructive conversation with Daniel Johnson’s namesake, Lord Johnson, about our working together to secure an investment, but that does not take away from the fact that the UK Government has dug its heels in on the point and is denying the playing out of the devolution settlement through the powers of the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish ministers. If Willie Rennie needed any more examples of the Conservative Party’s unwillingness to engage on the process, the fact that Jamie Halcro Johnston would not take a single intervention from anybody in the chamber speaks to that.

To reflect on a point that Jamie Halcro Johnston made, it is not about Brussels. When we were in the European Union, those powers were not held in Brussels in the way that they are being held at Westminster at the moment. EU procurement directives were implemented by Scottish ministers and not by the European Union. That is the difference. When we were part of the European Union, the powers were here; now that we are not in the European Union, the UK Government has taken those powers back and it is therefore encroaching on devolved areas, such as procurement.

In conclusion, we are not happy that we are in this situation, but I hope that everyone on this side of the chamber will agree that devolution must be protected and that it is important that we protect it when there is an attack from the UK Government. This is one of the unfortunately increasing number of examples where that is the case.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08205, in the name of Ivan McKee, on the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill, which is United Kingdom ...
The Minister for Business, Trade, Tourism and Enterprise (Ivan McKee) SNP
It is with no small amount of regret and frustration that we find ourselves today considering this motion. Yet again, it appears that the UK Government is wi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I agree with the frustrations that the minister has set out. What attempts has he made to have dialogue with the UK Government and UK ministers to discuss th...
Ivan McKee SNP
As I indicated, I have written twice to UK Government ministers. I met the relevant UK Government minister in the Commons previously and, today, I met Lord J...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Before I say anything, it is important to set out that, our issues with the Australia and New Zealand trade deals notwithstanding, trade is undoubtedly a goo...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests; I am a partner in a farming business in Orkney and a member of NFU Scotland. I a...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Jamie Halcro Johnston deserves a medal for his contribution and for drawing some great credit from the two trade deals with New Zealand and Australia. They a...
Ivan McKee SNP
What an interesting debate. I agree with Daniel Johnson that trade is a good thing. If he has read our “A Trading Nation—a plan for growing Scotland’s export...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP
Despite the fact that Jamie Halcro Johnston powered through and did not take any interventions, I shall, in the interests of open debate, take Brian Whittle’...
Brian Whittle Con
If the minister and his Government are so positive towards trade, why have they voted against every single trade deal that has been put in front of them?
Ivan McKee SNP
If Brian Whittle has been paying attention, he should be well aware that the Australia and New Zealand deals were very bad for Scottish agribusiness. If we l...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation.