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Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2023

14 Mar 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill: United Kingdom Legislation
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

Before I say anything, it is important to set out that, our issues with the Australia and New Zealand trade deals notwithstanding, trade is undoubtedly a good thing. Regardless of the current circumstances, we should encourage trade and look for opportunities to trade, especially with places in the world such as Australia and New Zealand, with which we share interests and a common history. However, we need to remember that the Australia and New Zealand deal was deeply flawed and that, in the absence of an oven-ready deal, it was rather snatched and grabbed at by a UK Government that was desperately seeking upsides to the flawed Brexit that it sought to deliver.

We have much sympathy with the arguments that the Scottish Government sets out. It is important that there is a role for devolved Administrations and Parliaments in approving and devising trade deals. Those arguments have been made by Nick Thomas-Symonds and other colleagues in the House of Commons. We sought to make several amendments to the bill as it went through. I note that in many other jurisdictions—such as in Belgium—devolved Administrations and legislatures have formal roles in the approval of trade deals. The ability of the UK Government to make amendments without consultation is of particular concern if there is to be a refresh of the trade agreement. It essentially gives ministers carte blanche.

Notwithstanding all that, the Government’s motion raises concerns. Although we agree that there should be consultation with people in Scotland, it is no more acceptable for Scottish ministers to make decisions behind closed doors—decisions that could have a significant bearing on farmers and fruit producers—than it is for UK ministers to do so. If it is a matter of concern to the people of Scotland, it is Parliament that should be consulted on such decisions. It is not so difficult for the Scottish Parliament to pass secondary legislation or legislative consent motions. We can do so relatively easily, and it gives us that level of oversight.

People might not want to know about the details of something that is relatively obscure and not relevant to their everyday life, but, ultimately, it is important. People in Scotland are growing weary of two Governments that constantly seek to make constitutional rancour and disagreement the fundamental basis of their politics, rather than getting on in order to make progress. We want to see two Governments working together for the collective good. Regardless of one’s views on the constitutional arrangements, the Administrations in Edinburgh and London—whoever they may be—need to work together in the collective interests of the people who live in these islands. That is not what is happening now.

I move amendment S6M-08205.1, to leave out from “confer” to end and insert:

“ensure the referral of the use of powers in clause 1 to the Scottish Ministers when making provisions within the Scottish Parliament’s devolved legislative competence, or to otherwise make it a requirement for UK ministers, when making provision within the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament, to be subject to the scrutiny and approval of the Scottish Parliament, in order to properly respect devolved responsibilities.”

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The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08205, in the name of Ivan McKee, on the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill, which is United Kingdom ...
The Minister for Business, Trade, Tourism and Enterprise (Ivan McKee) SNP
It is with no small amount of regret and frustration that we find ourselves today considering this motion. Yet again, it appears that the UK Government is wi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I agree with the frustrations that the minister has set out. What attempts has he made to have dialogue with the UK Government and UK ministers to discuss th...
Ivan McKee SNP
As I indicated, I have written twice to UK Government ministers. I met the relevant UK Government minister in the Commons previously and, today, I met Lord J...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Before I say anything, it is important to set out that, our issues with the Australia and New Zealand trade deals notwithstanding, trade is undoubtedly a goo...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests; I am a partner in a farming business in Orkney and a member of NFU Scotland. I a...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Jamie Halcro Johnston deserves a medal for his contribution and for drawing some great credit from the two trade deals with New Zealand and Australia. They a...
Ivan McKee SNP
What an interesting debate. I agree with Daniel Johnson that trade is a good thing. If he has read our “A Trading Nation—a plan for growing Scotland’s export...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ivan McKee SNP
Despite the fact that Jamie Halcro Johnston powered through and did not take any interventions, I shall, in the interests of open debate, take Brian Whittle’...
Brian Whittle Con
If the minister and his Government are so positive towards trade, why have they voted against every single trade deal that has been put in front of them?
Ivan McKee SNP
If Brian Whittle has been paying attention, he should be well aware that the Australia and New Zealand deals were very bad for Scottish agribusiness. If we l...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the Trade (Australia and New Zealand) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation.