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Meeting of the Parliament 23 February 2023

23 Feb 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

To be honest, I think that both movements are as bad as each other on this. They both promised far too harsh a transition far too early—the nationalists promised that an independent state would be established within 16 months, and they cannot roll back on that now. Both movements need to learn from each other so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past. We were in a formal arrangement with Europe for only a few decades, and we have been in a formal arrangement with the United Kingdom for several centuries, so the task would be enormous.

Although the Brexit issues were wholly predictable, there is no doubt that they could have been handled differently in order to smooth the transition to the new arrangement. A better relationship with Europe and a more pragmatic approach, with an acceptance of necessary co-operation, would have made the process easier, and it would have allowed for a greater involvement of the devolved Administrations.

With the EU retained law bill, we face a steep cliff edge—I agree with the minister on that point. It dangerously and blindly dispenses with thousands of laws without a proper process with the Scottish Parliament.

Instead, we could have had a more deliberative process, engaging all interested parties—as Sarah Boyack has rightly highlighted—and reducing the significant and costly errors that could be forthcoming. As we have witnessed today, the unwise process has also enabled the Scottish Government to indulge sometimes in wild hyperbole, speculating about dire consequences without being able to specifically identify actual harms. It is important that we understand those actual harms.

With that in mind, I am still intrigued as to how and when the Scottish Government has used the keeping pace powers that were granted to it by the Parliament. We worked hard with the Government to agree those measures, so I am slightly surprised that we still do not know how many times it has deployed them. In fact, when I raised this issue in the previous debate about Brexit, the Minister for Just Transition, Employment and Fair Work, Richard Lochhead, did not have a clue what I was talking about. He seemed to think that it was something to do with securing employment for people who had been made redundant. We need a Government that is on top of its game on the keeping pace powers, but it seems to have neglected that power for itself.

We were the strongest voice in the UK against Brexit, and we were right to oppose it. It should not, however, be used as some means to an independence end—it is far too important for that. We need partnership with our neighbours rather than using the issue for some political purpose. Therefore, despite our criticisms of the Scottish Government’s handling and its exotic hyperbole at times, we will support the Government’s motion to withhold consent.

The Conservative Government has made an absolute hash of Brexit. It has damaged our economy and weakened our country. If only we had two Governments that could work together. If only we had Governments that would seek pragmatic solutions.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07997, in the name of Angus Robertson, on the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill, which is a pi...
The Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
Today’s debate is timely, because today is also the day on which the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill begins its committee stage in the House of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Clare Adamson to speak on behalf of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. 14:37
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank members of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, the committee clerks and all those who submitted evidence and attended m...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am a member of the Faculty of Advocates. This is, of course, the second time that I have risen ...
Jenni Minto (Argyll and Bute) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Donald Cameron Con
Very briefly.
Jenni Minto SNP
I am interested in the definition of “EU law”, because all these laws were looked at by the Parliaments of the United Kingdom during the time of our membersh...
Donald Cameron Con
I am not sure that they were all on the statute book. That is a question of legal interpretation. I certainly acknowledge that a lot of EU law was either dir...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Donald Cameron Con
I will not. I have very little time. Otherwise, there will be two separate statute books, with completely different interpretive principles and case law. I...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour has been clear that we do not support the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill. I start by thanking all those who gave evidence to th...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
In many ways, this day was inevitable. As soon as the Brexit referendum was lost and the Conservative Government sought a hard Brexit that cut almost all for...
Alasdair Allan SNP
For the record, my understanding is that no one in the independence movement would suggest that all laws since 1707 be unpicked or repealed on independence d...
Willie Rennie LD
To be honest, I think that both movements are as bad as each other on this. They both promised far too harsh a transition far too early—the nationalists prom...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the cabinet secretary, Angus Robertson, to wind up on behalf of the Scottish Government. 14:56
Angus Robertson SNP
I sincerely thank everybody who took part in this short debate. I will briefly feed back on those contributions. Clare Adamson, the convener of the Constitu...
Sarah Boyack Lab
It is important that we can get that as soon as possible. If the cabinet secretary could refer to the references in the Constitution, Europe, External Affair...
Angus Robertson SNP
Absolutely—I am happy to—but I am sure that Sarah Boyack understands that we are still in the middle of a process of trying to understand the course of actio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate on the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill.