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Meeting of the Parliament 09 February 2023

09 Feb 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Income Tax Rate Resolution 2023-24

Scottish Liberal Democrats have considered the vote on the rate resolution separately to the vote that will come on the budget after recess. In the debate that we had on this a year ago, few would have predicted double-figure inflation or that Vladimir Putin would invade the sovereign territory of Ukraine. Nobody could have foreseen the extent to which the incompetence of the Conservatives would trash the economy and the public finances.

Public services have had to brace themselves against these winds. It has been a “protection operation”, as Sir Anton Muscatelli told the Scottish Parliament’s Finance and Public Administration Committee. However, it is essential to grow the economy, because Scotland has underperformed relative to the UK since powers were first devolved to it. The Scottish Fiscal Commission believes that ministers might already be losing out on almost £700 million in income tax revenue. Worse still, it is expecting Scotland’s economy to grow more slowly over the next 50 years.

An IFS analysis published today showed that average net household income will be reduced by £110 next year by the tax and benefit changes. The bottom third of households with children will gain, on average, around £1,200 a year, due to the Scottish child payment, but poorer households without children will, in the words of the IFS,

“see virtually no change in their incomes”.

Those households have rent to pay and rising food and energy bills, which is why we need to see progressive changes to the budget, such as a new, national emergency insulation programme.

We have previously supported modest tax rises to deliver essential investment. We will do so today, as we are in an emergency.

However, for those at the higher end, the cumulative effect of tax changes matters. Next year, someone earning £50,000 will pay over £1,500 more in Scotland than if they lived elsewhere in the UK, and someone earning £150,000 will pay almost £4,000 more. Those are talented people whom we are already short of—the consultants that we desperately need in our NHS, cyberanalysts, tech innovators and the best engineers.

I do not believe that one-off, defined and limited tax rises have a significant impact on behaviour, but people need to be confident about the future intentions of Governments, which is where I think the intervention from my friend and colleague Willie Rennie came from. If people think that the Government has lost control of tax rises, their confidence drops and that affects their behaviour. When those individuals come to weigh up where they want to live and work, it could cost us dearly if the Scottish Government has lost their confidence. Those people are mobile and there are opportunities elsewhere in the United Kingdom.

It is an imperfect science, but I am not convinced that the Government understands what those people are thinking, and their behaviour really matters to the tax take. Where is that evidence? I think that higher-rate taxpayers are worried about the long-term intentions of the Scottish National Party Government. The presence of the Greens does not reassure them; it adds to the uncertainty about the direction of taxation and the perception that the Government may go much further and take tax to extraordinary levels. Those taxpayers do not know what is going to happen next.

The social contract is also being stretched by Government incompetence. The ferries have become a symbol of that. Then there is ScotWind—the best chance for generations to bring serious money into the public purse, but Scotland’s prized seabed was sold on the cheap. I fear that the national care service will be the next shambles.

I worry that we are coming to a tipping point and that some people will say, “Enough is enough”, so I am telling the Scottish Government today that it cannot guarantee to have our support if it brings forward further tax increases.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats fought for tax powers for this Parliament, and when we proposed a moderate penny for education in 2016, it was for a defined purpose and period. It was designed to make education the best again, driving the economy and growth.

Now there is a crisis in every corner of our NHS and social care. It is unprecedented, so we can see the logic in a penny—a further penny—for health at this time. Putting aside the refusal of the SNP Government to acknowledge its role in this—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07853, in the name of Tom Arthur, on the Scottish rate resolution. Members should note that I will put th...
The Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth (Tom Arthur) SNP
I will draw the Parliament’s attention to the procedural connection between this debate and rule 9.16.7 of the standing orders, which states that a Scottish ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
We will cautiously support the resolution. As it is an emergency, we understand the need to protect public finances. However, if public finances improve, the...
Tom Arthur SNP
I thank Mr Rennie for his support for the resolution, for his instructive engagement and for his enthusiasm, because he wants to start talking now about the ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister is quite correct that there is a convention in this Parliament—rule 9.16.7 of standing orders says that a rates resolution must be passed before...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP
I am interested in the line of argument that Liz Smith is developing because, essentially, she goes into territory where the tax system can be utilised to cr...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I accept that and I think that tax incentives are critical. We have had considerable differences of opinion about the behavioural aspects of different t...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I think that it was deeply unfair of the cabinet secretary to make the Minister for Public Finance chuckle as he got to his feet. Tax is a very serious busin...
John Swinney SNP
I am happy to confirm that I was not in any way deliberately trying to make the minister chuckle. I was simply somewhat discomfited by the fact that I was ha...
Daniel Johnson Lab
In fairness, that is a matter for the Minister for Public Finance, from whom we will hear later. I am pleased to see the proposals being made. We are now se...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I will briefly pick up on an issue that has dogged our debates on taxation in recent years. It has not come up this afternoon, but it did during last week’s ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Scottish Liberal Democrats have considered the vote on the rate resolution separately to the vote that will come on the budget after recess. In the debate th...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Could you please conclude, Mr Cole-Hamilton?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
—we can see the necessity of fixing it. I would like an answer from the cabinet secretary, in his closing remarks, to the question: will those tax increases ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Tom Arthur to wind up. You have up to four minutes, minister. 16:57
Tom Arthur SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am conscious that I stand between members and recess, so I will keep my remarks as brief as possible. I begin by thanking fo...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Minister, if you could just give me one moment. I would be grateful if members who are just coming into the chamber could do so quietly and if conversations ...
Tom Arthur SNP
I will build on the response that I gave to Willie Rennie’s intervention, in direct response to Alex Cole-Hamilton’s question. He asks what our future policy...
Willie Rennie LD
I completely understand that point—the world is unpredictable. However, I hope that the minister understands our point about the balance. We need to have pro...
Tom Arthur SNP
I do, entirely, and that speaks to the importance of the independent and robust assessment and forecast provided by the Scottish Fiscal Commission, of the Go...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the Scottish rate resolution. Rule 11.3.1 requires the question on the Scottish rate resolution to be put immediately after the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. There will be a short suspension to allow members to access the digital voting system. 17:02 Meeting suspended. 17:04 On resuming—
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that motion S6M-07853, in the name of Tom Arthur, on the Scottish rate resolution, be agreed to. Members should cast their votes now. The...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app did not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
We will ensure that that is recorded.
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I have a slow connection, and I am not sure whether my vote has been recorded.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I confirm that it has been recorded. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adam, Karen (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wish...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 90, Against 2, Abstentions 28. Motion agreed to, That the Parliament agrees that, for the purposes of section 11A of the...