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Meeting of the Parliament 08 February 2023

08 Feb 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Social Care

John Mason’s idea that £56 million is “very little money” to spend on a vast and unnecessary bureaucracy that nobody wants says a lot about his priorities. In the midst of a cost of living crisis that is disproportionately impacting those on low pay—social care staff make up a large part of them—I can think of better ways to spend that money than wasting it on that towering bureaucratic mess. The plans will not address the problems in social care; they will only consume huge amounts of our time and staff time, and they will actually cut the funds that are available for the delivery of that care. It is hard to imagine a worse idea for the sector than that.

If the Government does not want to listen to me, it does not need to. It can listen to the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which has said that it is “difficult” to assess whether the Government’s plans are “affordable or sustainable”, or to the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, which has said that, for those in need of support,

“waiting four or five years for the establishment of the NCS is not an option.”

The Government could also listen to health board bosses, trade unions or even its own back benchers. Who can forget Michelle Thomson’s comments? She said that she had “no confidence whatsoever” in the Government’s plan and was “completely surprised” by the lack of detail in her Government’s financial memorandum. I could cite numerous other organisations that say that the Government’s proposals simply will not work, and the Scottish Liberal Democrats agree.

It seems that social care staff agree, too. A report by Unison revealed that 71 per cent of them think that the Government’s plans will have a negative impact on standards of care. That is from the people who work at the coalface every day. No one understands the system better than they do, and the Government would do well to heed their warnings, which are legion. Seventy-seven per cent of social care staff said that the Government’s plans would lead to greater staff insecurity. They all agree that what is needed is more investment in staffing and resources, better pay and better conditions, not a towering and clunking bureaucracy, and that is what Scottish Liberal Democrats want to see, too.

We want to reward staff with better pay and conditions, as well as with opportunities for career progression. We want to make social care a profession of choice again, backed by the introduction of powerful collective national bargaining. That should begin this year, not on the Government’s current glacial schedule. We also want to accelerate the introduction of new national standards and entitlements for those who depend on our care service.

It goes without saying that we want the Government to abolish all its current plans for centralisation, because Liberal Democrats fundamentally believe that people in Shetland, Moray and Caithness are far better placed to understand the needs and the profile of their communities than Scottish ministers or officials are. However, the Government is determined to conduct an unprecedented power grab. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee says that the proposals set a “dangerous precedent” and risk

“undermining the role of the parliament.”

I turn to delayed discharge. In recent months, we have heard a lot in the chamber about crippling waiting times in accident and emergency departments. Those delays do not represent a deficiency of care in emergency departments; they are rooted in the problems in our social care sector. A and E departments are full of patients who cannot be discharged to other hospital departments, and hospitals are full because, on any given night, more than 1,000 people who are well enough to go home are stuck in hospital because they are too frail to go home without a social care package. In November last year, more than 58,000 days were spent in hospital by people who were clinically ready to be discharged. The Government promised to eradicate delayed discharge back in 2015, yet here we are.

It is clear that the Government lacks the necessary foresight to see, and the humility to admit, the mistake that it is making with its current proposals, which do not address the manifest problems in our social care sector. Our heroic social care staff, and the thousands of people who rely on them, deserve much better than this, and they keep telling the Government exactly that. This afternoon, let us send an unequivocal message to the Government: scrap the plans for a national care service, go back to the drawing board and think again.

I move,

That the Parliament thanks all those who work in the social care sector for their dedication, but believes that they have been undervalued for years; acknowledges that there is a shortage of staff working throughout social care; believes that this shortage is impacting the waiting times of those who require care packages and leading to year-on-year increases in delayed discharges, which the Scottish Government promised to eradicate within a year in 2015, contributing to the crisis in the NHS, and calls on the Scottish Government and its social care partners to reward staff with better pay, conditions and career progression, backed by the introduction of powerful national bargaining beginning in 2023-24, the acceleration of new national standards and entitlements for users, and the abolition of the SNP-Scottish Green Party administration’s plans for a National Care Service, which will not address the problems, will consume considerable staff time, and will cut the funds available for social care.

16:43  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-07813, in the name of Alex Cole-Hamilton, on investing in the future of social care. I advise members tha...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Hello again. I am pleased to rise once again to speak for the Liberal Democrats in this afternoon’s debate and to move the motion in my name. Social care st...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I take the member’s point, but does he accept that, in the coming year, actually very little money is being put into that, and that there is not enough money...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
John Mason’s idea that £56 million is “very little money” to spend on a vast and unnecessary bureaucracy that nobody wants says a lot about his priorities. I...
The Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to, once again, set out to the chamber the principles of and ambitions for the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We have hear...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Has the Government decided whether children’s services will be included yet?
Kevin Stewart SNP
Mr Rennie knows the answer to that. We said that we would carry out more analysis of children’s services, which we are doing. Our aim is to establish a soci...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Kevin Stewart SNP
Very briefly.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the minister advise on the number of social care vacancies and whether that figure is rising or falling?
Kevin Stewart SNP
We keep a close eye on social care vacancies. There are vacancies around the country. That is why a recruitment process is going on at this moment, backed by...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The minister must conclude at this very second. Thank you.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Those boards will be accountable not only to ministers—
The Presiding Officer NPA
At that very second, minister.
Kevin Stewart SNP
—but to the people who use and support our services. I move amendment S6M-07813.3, to leave out from “but” to end and insert: “and welcomes that increased ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Craig Hoy to speak to and move amendment S6M-07813.2. 16:49
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for introducing the debate, which gives us an opportunity to rehearse the arguments that we will use against the Government’s ill-...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Craig Hoy Con
No, I will not. If that is the case, the definition of ministerial arrogance is asking well-qualified professionals for their views over and over and ignori...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Craig Hoy Con
Yes. Mr Stewart could perhaps tell us whether there is one third sector organisation that agrees with his plans.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Many third sector organisations agree with our plans, and some third sector organisations think that other parts should be added to the national care service...
Craig Hoy Con
Given that the committees of the Parliament, including the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, do not know what the bill means, how can people in the ...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Will the member give way?
Craig Hoy Con
No, I will not. However, the criticism goes way beyond Parliament. Johanna Baxter, who is the regional organiser and head of local government for Unison Sco...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Hoy, I have to ask you to conclude and to move the amendment in your name.
Craig Hoy Con
Fine. Unite the Union, responsible for co-designing the workforce, has also walked out on ministers. This Government must listen. It must scrap the plans fo...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Hoy. You are out of time.
Craig Hoy Con
I move amendment S6M-07813.2, to leave out from “, backed” to end and insert: “; further calls on the Scottish Government to explain why it took back £331 m...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Paul O’Kane to speak to and move amendment S6M-07813.1. 16:55